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I agree the P2/ Networks are mostly making this happen, but this Yormark &

his talking heads are doing their part too. WADR my feathers are straight on all of it, not just part of it. If the 4 corners don't leave, and Cal and Stanford were left basically without a home, the PAC had a great chance of surviving. I personally didn't want the ACC to go national, but with the 3 they took, but I am guessing ND wants to stay independent unless the P@ break off and the ACC teams that aren't in the Mag 7, want to keep the ACC going, including the commissioner.
Posted: 02/23/2024 at 02:10 PM ET
(In response to this post by Big12 guy)

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According to Flugaur FSU related
Millpoint • 02/23/24 06:37 AM ET
The ACC is foolish to settle
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 07:45 PM ET
They may be prepared to pay that amount, but ACC will 😂 in their face**
ombandit • 02/25/24 08:45 AM ET
Good thing we agreed to provide more money to FSU (as ACC champs).
Truthahn • 02/24/24 08:19 AM ET
I still think the easy answer is schedule neutral site instead of home game
HokieToph • 02/23/24 01:34 PM ET
How much is the stadium rent?
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 07:49 PM ET
Bylaw 20.10.9.2 Football Scheduling Requirements. [FBS] prevents that from
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 02:01 PM ET
2 games in jax, 2 tampa, 2 orlando, 2 tally- does that get around rule?**
realityhokie • 02/23/24 06:49 PM ET
Nope
mrcaniac • 02/23/24 08:35 PM ET
No, don't believe so because FSU has to play at least 5 regular season home
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 07:09 PM ET
That would result in a lawsuit against FSU for fraud**
tarheelblue • 02/23/24 01:38 PM ET
The more I consider the lawsuit, I agree the exit fees are excessive
HokieAl • 02/23/24 12:56 PM ET
They rights aren't an exit fee.
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 07:59 PM ET
Couple of clarifications....
2hhoop3 • 02/26/24 08:20 PM ET
Thanks, I trusted you tube on the Big 10 gor...**
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 08:52 PM ET
They are only excessive ex post, when FSU wanted out
lawhokie • 02/23/24 10:36 PM ET
FSU agreed to it, nobody held a gun to their head**
BROman Hokie • 02/23/24 03:04 PM ET
If FSU can prove its case that the ACC gave the schools misinformation and
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 04:42 PM ET
I think that will be a hard "prove" No matter what else. FSU and
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 04:59 PM ET
If the message was conveyed in person or during a telephone conversation,
VTHokie2000 • 02/24/24 06:19 PM ET
The overwhelming factor is FSU agreed to a deal when the weren't all that.
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:27 PM ET
Seems to me.........
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 06:27 PM ET
It appears ESPN's ability to exercise the option unilaterally may be a new
VTHokie2000 • 02/24/24 06:45 PM ET
You may want to read......
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 07:40 PM ET
FSU may have a statute of limitations issue there**
SMU Pony • 02/23/24 10:47 PM ET
You are right there may be a statue of limitation. Since the cause of
VTHokie2000 • 02/24/24 12:20 AM ET
allow me to clarify. My use of "exit fee" seems to be muddling things
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:35 PM ET
Only FSU calls it a penalty, Others call it a valuation of
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 08:04 PM ET
Were any of those subject to a GOR like this one?
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 01:22 PM ET
You probably want to do........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:20 PM ET
The big rock is the GOR, not the exit fee.**
Stech • 02/23/24 01:02 PM ET
The GOR and exit cost are tied together
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:14 PM ET
I’m sorry but I just have to laugh at your declarative statement…
lawhokie • 02/24/24 08:24 PM ET
You make statements.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:53 PM ET
See my post above. These are not my opinions. This is from the lawsuit
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:58 PM ET
They are your.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:11 PM ET
I'm not trying to litigate the case here
HokieAl • 02/23/24 02:36 PM ET
I agree.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:45 PM ET
The others sited had little if any GOR left, the situations are miles apart**
Stech • 02/23/24 01:21 PM ET
And why should the ACC agree to take one penny less than the full amount?
HokieNoVA • 02/23/24 12:07 PM ET
Because (1) they dont want to risk going to trial (2) no ACC leaders want
133193Hokie • 02/23/24 05:14 PM ET
so you think they would forfeit hundreds of millions instead of testifying?
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 05:14 PM ET
Settle for $250m or run the risk of loosing and discovery (who knows
133193Hokie • 02/26/24 09:52 AM ET
What can FSU reasonably find?
VTCALS72 • 02/26/24 12:40 PM ET
I don’t think they want the discovery or hassle with a trial. **
Millpoint • 02/23/24 01:32 PM ET
The trial would definitely be a hassle, but we're talking about $200-300mil
HokieNoVA • 02/23/24 02:17 PM ET
Yep, if it isn't a class action by all members against the league then I
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 05:17 PM ET
Your last paragraph......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:33 PM ET
I think there is truth in that......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:40 PM ET
Only reason I can think of is to get it all up front instead of spreading
reestuart • 02/23/24 12:34 PM ET
Because an imbecile made that decision?**
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 12:11 PM ET
I know a lot of persons want that proved
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 05:19 PM ET
200 million would be about 12.5 million per school (16 teams)
Maroon Baboon • 02/23/24 11:03 AM ET
So basically a Fuente buyout lol
Vippie1 • 02/23/24 04:14 PM ET
FSU has already been lost........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 12:48 PM ET
Agreed. They are afraid of tanking again. Hence their hurry.
Truthahn • 02/24/24 08:30 AM ET
Be more than their rallying CRY**
MrFantastic! • 02/23/24 08:45 AM ET
Counter with $290 mil
obguthr • 02/23/24 07:07 AM ET
Counter with $500M
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 10:17 AM ET
Seems like it would be better for ESPN to up FSU's payout.
Truthahn • 02/24/24 08:41 AM ET
I know what you are saying,.......
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 10:28 AM ET
FSU will find out that the Big10 plays hardball
mrcaniac • 02/23/24 10:33 PM ET
The irony ........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 10:46 PM ET
Come to think about it, lets counter with $5B and start the negotiations...
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 10:24 AM ET
The B12, PAC, and ACC have already been insulted. Take what you can. **
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 10:18 AM ET
That is good advice.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 10:36 AM ET
I'm not smart enough to know what the floor is, as the
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 10:40 AM ET
I agree about FSU........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 10:50 AM ET
$350 million?
TerryD • 02/23/24 11:49 AM ET
And - what FSU would be willing to pay. **
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 12:05 PM ET
Who cares. We own their broadcast rights for the next decade**
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 12:10 PM ET
If they are unwilling to pay a settlement, then this could go to trial.
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 12:19 PM ET
Why? What is risky considering not only FSU but Clemson etc as well.**
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:30 PM ET
No, it's not where the schools may end up, it's the GOR, contracts,
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 06:44 PM ET
Which is why it is going to be a hard sell
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:54 PM ET
Just takes one judge or jury. We do not know what we don't know. If
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 07:13 PM ET
So if GOR is attacked and the Big 10 does not want theirs attacked
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 07:20 PM ET
You're fooling.......
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 09:45 PM ET
FSU stays in the ACC if the BIG and SEC say that. I wish
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 09:21 PM ET
Screw that! Lets go to trial in NC, not FL**
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 12:32 PM ET
While i understand where you are coming from, check out the link
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 12:36 PM ET
The salty over the substance
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:41 PM ET
I agree with you on the future of the ACC and B12. The only way the B12
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 06:52 PM ET
Ok, my speculation is
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 07:09 PM ET
The whole ESPN thing is not material to the core lawsuit
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:04 PM ET
True now compare that to what the PAC was
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:52 PM ET
I think there are two things going on here. The FSU suit, and
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 01:07 PM ET
The ACC schools signed the contract, they know what’s in it, why do they
Stech • 02/23/24 12:59 PM ET
I'm not sure what, if anything the ACC would be afraid of, but ESPN
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 01:06 PM ET
PAC got nothing, B12 hasn’t gotten anything, ACC contract isn’t going to
Stech • 02/23/24 01:16 PM ET
There may be mouthpieces for Yormark or the B12 out there. but
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 01:36 PM ET
The henchmen........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:22 PM ET
I agree the P2/ Networks are mostly making this happen, but this Yormark & ◄
Stech • 02/23/24 02:10 PM ET
It is much easier to push the red button and then say "Mea culpa" after the
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 02:10 PM ET
I'll take that argument to a larger issue. The playoff could
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 11:06 AM ET
You assume FSU is operating in a vacuum. And maybe they are
HokieAl • 02/23/24 12:34 PM ET
They will pay.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 09:58 AM ET
There won't be any discovery because ESPN can't allow it.
33laszlo99 • 02/23/24 11:22 AM ET
Im sure you do predict that
Hokie83 • 02/23/24 12:38 PM ET
Shockingly we disagree again......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 11:57 AM ET
Do you think those dates are meaningless? I think they are critical.
33laszlo99 • 02/23/24 03:24 PM ET
Those dates are not meaningless......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 04:08 PM ET
I hope it gets nastier. Personal enjoyment increases.**
saret • 02/23/24 11:18 AM ET
Very few on Flugar want to admit that fact
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 08:51 AM ET
I don't think they care about pissing off the ACC, SEC and ESPN.
Maroon Baboon • 02/23/24 10:54 AM ET
Good points and more, just a thought but do remember the
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 01:16 PM ET
Given that Northerners and Midwesterners appear to be relocating to the
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 04:54 PM ET
I personally don't think that translates to college associated sports**
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 06:52 PM ET
Why not? If Wisconsin is playing FSU, then you don't believe a Wisky fan
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 07:25 PM ET
To me college sports are just a different animal and
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 07:32 PM ET
Except FSU isn't gaining any Big Ten fans though. Those people are tuning
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 07:44 PM ET
The ACC.....
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:30 PM ET
Oh the Irony.
HOO86 • 02/23/24 01:14 PM ET
I find it hard to believe that the B1G won't take more from the South or
Maroon Baboon • 02/23/24 02:52 PM ET
Seems that way to me too
TerryD • 02/23/24 11:53 AM ET
There should be over 100 likes because this is the way to handle it
HOKIEGOBBLE • 02/23/24 09:43 AM ET