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VTHokie2000
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Even though the Big XII may have added better schools, those additions

don't come close to what was lost when Oklahoma and Texas left to join the SEC. The ACC would be in exact same boat if it lost its top brands too. Right now you could say we live in a P2+2 world with the ACC and Big XII being the "+2." Once the P2s have the ACC's top brands, then there is nothing really to stop them from kicking the ACC and the Big XII to the curb. Hence why I said they are mirror images of each other because both are essentially along for the ride until the other shoe drops. Given that the 12-team CFP has already changed from the 6-6 model to the 5-7 model before the first year because of what happened to the Pac-12, it could be interesting to see what other changes are made to it when it is up for renewal. Depending on what year that is scheduled to take place and where that falls in relation to when the ACC's and Big XII's media contracts are set to expire, I might be a little nervous as a conference that it could lose its power conference status. The Big XII might be a little more vulnerable right now because it doesn't have any member that is in the same ballpark as Clemson's, FSU's, and Miami's brand. Will it change to the P3 at some point in the future with the Big XII voted off the island first or will it remain the P4 until both the ACC and Big XII can be voted off the island at the same time? Regardless of which is taken, the endgame will still be the same unless the ACC and Big XII can find a way to convince everyone that they should remain a power conference.
Posted: 12/07/2023 at 12:24 AM ET
(In response to this post by Big12 guy)

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Just to start a discussion, this is an interesting take on what it
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 12:49 PM ET
To summarize...so you don't have to support this clown
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 08:11 AM ET
He's a little too bullish on the big12 future
ren_hoek • 12/05/23 10:00 PM ET
What a stretch, Texas is leaving the B12, that’s ludicrous!! Say it enough
Stech • 12/06/23 08:04 AM ET
BigXII and ACC are about to become the new G2. Especially the BigXII.
Maroon Baboon • 12/05/23 11:27 PM ET
I don't think that is the case, at least not in my neck of the woods. I
Big12 guy • 12/06/23 08:51 AM ET
The difference is, 12 years of a GOR, Big12 and PAC GORs were done
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 09:00 AM ET
The problem is that schools in the ACC might not have a dozen years.
WBGV • 12/06/23 12:08 PM ET
They have longer than the current system will last
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 07:16 PM ET
Then it's only a matter of time? It's my contention that if the networks
Big12 guy • 12/06/23 09:09 AM ET
Maybe it's a matter of time, given what else is going on, more likely moot
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 09:38 AM ET
Spot on, very good post, what's going on outside of realignment dwarfs what
Stech • 12/06/23 10:56 AM ET
I think it's already blown up, it's just the pieces haven't landed yet. **
Big12 guy • 12/06/23 09:42 AM ET
The new pay for play Division hasn't happened yet, but just about all think
Stech • 12/06/23 10:59 AM ET
The NCAA proposal is a smoke screen.
33laszlo99 • 12/06/23 10:30 PM ET
Yep and likely will bail a lot of people out of bad long term decisions
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 07:21 PM ET
Goodbye Clemson and fsu. Maybe UnC too. **
GreenvilleVT • 12/05/23 09:58 PM ET
He makes a mistake by thinking the CFPC chose the BigXII over the ACC.
Maroon Baboon • 12/05/23 04:48 PM ET
The cable hook up guy said it? He’s getting clicks to sell ads w/o sources!**
Stech • 12/05/23 04:04 PM ET
The Big 12 a bunch of Texas wanta bes
Mercury • 12/05/23 02:53 PM ET
My apologies for posting this link. **
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 03:07 PM ET
I'm not sure Texas got in because the Big XII is perceived to be stronger
VTHokie2000 • 12/05/23 01:17 PM ET
Dead if in BIG XII
archhokie17 • 12/06/23 08:34 AM ET
And that is what every school not in the P2 says. **
Big12 guy • 12/06/23 09:44 AM ET
simpler than that, Big 12 is ACC with a shorter window and less brands
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 08:40 AM ET
I agree that the ACC currently has a better brand than the Big XII.
VTHokie2000 • 12/06/23 06:24 PM ET
The PAC implosion changed things. The addition of the 4 corners put
Big12 guy • 12/06/23 10:53 PM ET
Even though the Big XII may have added better schools, those additions ◄
VTHokie2000 • 12/07/23 12:24 AM ET
I agree with most of that, but it's tough to compare the two conferences
Big12 guy • 12/07/23 08:42 AM ET
Texas was put in to justify Alabama. Also, no way a 12-1 BigXII champ
Maroon Baboon • 12/05/23 11:36 PM ET
Also, they beat Bama.**
NokieHokie • 12/05/23 01:22 PM ET
That's a reason Alabama shouldn't have been included then and not
VTHokie2000 • 12/05/23 01:51 PM ET
But they wanted Bama, so they threw a bone to Texas.**
NokieHokie • 12/05/23 02:50 PM ET
Yep. If UGA won, it's UGA, UM, UW, and FSU. That's IMO. **
reestuart • 12/05/23 03:00 PM ET
I don't disagree that is how it played out. Although it is a little odd
VTHokie2000 • 12/05/23 02:55 PM ET
None of the rankings matter until the final ones.**
NokieHokie • 12/05/23 03:04 PM ET
I was referring to the final rankings. The Committee could have done this
VTHokie2000 • 12/05/23 03:13 PM ET
the rankings are meaningless, they rank them to get the matchups they want**
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 08:18 AM ET
That's all the more reason to rank Alabama at #3 and Texas at #4 given the
VTHokie2000 • 12/06/23 06:29 PM ET
Whatever the driver, they wanted AL/MI in the Rose Bowl
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 07:19 PM ET
I'm not sure allowing Texas to play in the Sugar Bowl is any worse than
VTHokie2000 • 12/06/23 08:04 PM ET
I haven't met anyone that thinks Texas should be there over FSU. It's a
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 02:01 PM ET
FWIW Drake Toll seemed to give that impression on the podcast you linked.
VTHokie2000 • 12/05/23 02:28 PM ET
In my link, there is no doubt that he is biased for the B12. Still, I was
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 02:34 PM ET
I agree with you that Texas should have gotten in over Alabama. Why bother
VTHokie2000 • 12/05/23 02:42 PM ET
Texas got in because they wanted Alabama. I don't buy the
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 01:22 PM ET
Thanks for link......
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:03 PM ET
Agree 100% with the committee wanting Alabama but ...
Old Line Hokie • 12/05/23 01:56 PM ET
ya, I know, but it was the part about FSU and the GOR that got my attention
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 01:10 PM ET
I have not heard .......
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:13 PM ET
Haha, I understand why you wouldn't listen to the podcast - so the cliffs
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 01:20 PM ET
That's just funny. Not sure even Lionel Hutz would take that case**
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 08:04 AM ET
Based on your OP........
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:26 PM ET
I had not read that those arguments before, but so be it, as you
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 01:34 PM ET
I said.......
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:44 PM ET
Ok**
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 01:51 PM ET
Listened to the rest......
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 09:20 PM ET
This kid was there before Yormark, long before, He is definitely pro
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 10:17 PM ET
I attack .......
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 10:22 PM ET
He said the ACC lied about the GOR because BC receives the same share as
VTHokie2000 • 12/05/23 01:18 PM ET
So in other words.....
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:22 PM ET
No, ...., it's different IMHO**
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 01:23 PM ET
it's not different, same argument, different basis, just as flawed
Vienna_Hokie • 12/06/23 08:57 AM ET
Also,....
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:47 PM ET
I've been down this path with you before. Won't do it again. I have
Big12 guy • 12/05/23 01:50 PM ET
The question....
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:56 PM ET
How so?......
2hhoop3 • 12/05/23 01:27 PM ET