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Umm, ya. I don't see either conference as being better than the

other. There are some older Big East schools that could separate themselves, and some that have - but for whatever reason, not for a sustained amount of time. Except for Oklahoma and Nebraska, A&M, Texas, Missouri, and even Colorado, never dominated anything in the B12 athletically. When you get to the handful of teams that have consistently vied for the 4 or two team playoffs, there just isn't much in my view that separates a VT from a K-State, or a North Carolina from a KU. If you live in ACC land, it's unfathomable that more people tune into a K-State Baylor game, than a VT (pick a private) game, but there is a huge difference when both schools in a game consistently fill their stadiums, travel well, and are enthusiastic even when there is zero chance of making the playoffs - which until now, has been anyone not in the top 5 - 10 in the national rankings. The teams in the B12 (except for a few), do not need matchups against marquee programs to fill their stadiums and get eyeballs on TV. If you take Clemson, FSU, and the few games from ND off the schedule, ALL of the ACC schools besides VT, would absolutely struggle to get buts in seats, get eyeballs watching the games, and most of all, have fan interest nationally.
Posted: 05/19/2024 at 08:19 AM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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Clemson fans get mad when I say this but the SEC doesn’t need them & FSU
Wtcarter12 • 05/17/24 09:03 PM ET
It's reality, they don't need them **
VaTechHokiesACC • 05/19/24 09:19 PM ET
I think Clemson and FSU would be far more attractive to the Big Ten.
hokieZ71 • 05/18/24 08:47 PM ET
But is the Big 10 all that attractive to
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:44 AM ET
They are in the ACC now.
hokieZ71 • 05/19/24 09:45 AM ET
If FSU goes to the Big 10 one thing is for sure, they will lose more games
FLKEYSHOKIE • 05/19/24 07:50 PM ET
Actually I don't think the "dregs" of the Big 10 are a better draw for
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:15 PM ET
I would agree with you - I would bet a majority of the FANS of FSU or
VPI_1998 • 05/19/24 09:02 AM ET
You do know who Woody Hayes was and the team that beat him
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:18 PM ET
yes**
VPI_1998 • 05/19/24 04:24 PM ET
$10M more than the SEC pays is very attractive.**
EDGEMAN • 05/19/24 08:59 AM ET
ESPN likes good ratings (and lucrative advertising rates) and Clemson/FSU
ren_hoek • 05/18/24 08:08 PM ET
Is BC and Cuse more of a "garbage" teams than Rutgers
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:22 PM ET
Not at all. They'll be playing 7-8 teams just as good or better, so
ancient alien 2018 • 05/18/24 10:25 PM ET
You told me in another post, you thought they were B1G bound, what changed
Stech • 05/18/24 08:28 PM ET
One of two possibilities exists as far as I can tell
Marooned • 05/18/24 11:30 PM ET
I think getting into the SEC is what the majority of Clemson and FSU want.**
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:54 AM ET
Clemson and FSU are not planning to leave ACC so they can go to Big 12.
wwhokie1 • 05/18/24 05:26 PM ET
You may be right but....
Old Line Hokie • 05/18/24 02:36 PM ET
Remember this, in NC, UNC is probably hated by as many as love them
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:00 AM ET
People have been promoting UNC's potential for decades.They never reach it
wwhokie1 • 05/18/24 05:23 PM ET
Maybe they have.**
33laszlo99 • 05/18/24 05:48 PM ET
Underachieving Texas A&M........
2hhoop3 • 05/18/24 02:52 PM ET
More teams does not mean less money. The money will adjust also
HokieAl • 05/18/24 02:35 PM ET
you are using too much logic for the average Clemson fan LOL**
MrBayAreaHokie • 05/18/24 02:00 PM ET
The ACC will be more valuable than the Big 12 in almost any scenario **
SpeakToDamien • 05/18/24 01:42 PM ET
"Almost every scenario", I agree with that.**
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:02 AM ET
ACC
VPI 1924 • 05/18/24 03:24 PM ET
That depends on what prism you look at it.
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:16 AM ET
That's not accurate **
SpeakToDamien • 05/18/24 10:31 PM ET
That's debatable...lol**
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 03:25 PM ET
Comparison points to consider
Marooned • 05/19/24 12:03 AM ET
Media footprint, what does it mean?
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:21 AM ET
To say that the B12’s media footprint in Texas is tiny is just wrong
Marooned • 05/19/24 10:00 AM ET
Even if one of the 4 is in the running for the B12 title, a below
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:26 PM ET
Nope
Marooned • 05/19/24 05:25 PM ET
do you mean for one B12 championship game?
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 06:48 PM ET
I’m responding to your previous comment
Marooned • 05/19/24 07:00 PM ET
For Houston, do you think it will matter much?**
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:02 PM ET
Over time, yes absolutely
Marooned • 05/19/24 10:54 PM ET
The media footprint is much larger on the Atlantic coast, but so
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 12:40 PM ET
thank you, "the actual average fan base tuning
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:37 PM ET
The only games that "sell" outside of their geographic footprint
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 03:13 PM ET
I think you vastly over rate.........
2hhoop3 • 05/19/24 03:30 PM ET
Well, you could be right, but to date, we have not had a VT BC game with a
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 03:51 PM ET
I fully agree with your 1st paragraph. I have been to Lane Stadium sell
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:07 PM ET
I believe any upsets.....
2hhoop3 • 05/19/24 04:00 PM ET
A G5 winning a playoff game, or two - maybe, but rare. One winning
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 04:16 PM ET
Unless you lose FSU and Clemson. **
Big12 guy • 05/18/24 02:45 PM ET
I still think if the acc went to market
SpeakToDamien • 05/18/24 10:39 PM ET
The ACC is a much better conference in football with FSU, Clemson, and ND
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 08:29 AM ET
B12 lost A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma…same as FSU/Clemson?
Stech • 05/18/24 08:35 PM ET
Umm, ya. I don't see either conference as being better than the ◄
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 08:19 AM ET
Lots of private schools in the ACC, that and it’s an hour most days to
Stech • 05/19/24 02:58 PM ET
Unfortunately for UM was that there was no other choice but to play in a
FLKEYSHOKIE • 05/19/24 10:32 PM ET
Orange Bowl was turned into Marlins Stadium, it’s much closer, should have
Stech • 05/20/24 07:25 AM ET
I dont think the Neilson ratings are worth much
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:28 AM ET
Miami has the potential to be a national powerhouse again, but UNC, as much
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 08:40 AM ET
Which will put us on level ground with the B12 after Big TX and OK left.**
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 03:25 PM ET
I would counter that B12 has the advantage in school sizes
HokieAl • 05/18/24 07:08 PM ET
I think he is talking as a fan, and about football. I can't wait until the
Big12 guy • 05/18/24 07:13 PM ET
Until the expanded playoffs tells us otherwise, I agree with you. The
Big12 guy • 05/18/24 07:04 PM ET
Clemson would be a good add for them. They draw better than the cocks and
VTMONEY94 • 05/17/24 11:30 PM ET
Both programs sell out and it's already a rivalry. No net gain adding
ancient alien 2018 • 05/18/24 10:28 PM ET
I think Clemson would pull more recruits from the southeast while in SEC
lawhokie • 05/18/24 11:12 AM ET
And Clemson could really take a bite out of the NC market as well.
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:32 AM ET
actually clemson does not have a good footprint in NC
DMV Gobbler • 05/18/24 08:49 AM ET
That has to be your opinion on "The University" statement. Lived in SC
VTMONEY94 • 05/18/24 09:11 AM ET
And USCe the better party option.**
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 12:54 PM ET
Still putting 2 teams in a state with 5 million that you already have, Va.
Stech • 05/18/24 10:16 AM ET
Yeah. That's, in part, why I think the B1G should be interested in Clemson.
Maroon Baboon • 05/18/24 10:42 AM ET
Almost 1/2 the size of the state of Virginia, and many schools in SEC don’t
Stech • 05/18/24 05:41 AM ET
The B1G should be interested in FSU AND Clemson...and...VA TECH.
Maroon Baboon • 05/17/24 10:24 PM ET
VT hasn't been relevant in football for 15 years.
drb • 05/18/24 08:13 AM ET
More like 6 to 10 years, 10-4 in 2016, 9-5 2017 and 8-5 in 2019. Also, like
Stech • 05/18/24 10:47 AM ET
You could’ve said the same thing about Clemson 15 years ago.
hokieball • 05/18/24 10:28 AM ET
very true - especially the Clemson example**
VPI_1998 • 05/19/24 09:42 AM ET
Yet nearer in relevance than Maryland and Rutgers.
Maroon Baboon • 05/18/24 10:24 AM ET
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DrHokie • 05/18/24 08:24 AM ET
I don't think VT is really as valuable to the Big as we are to the SEC
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:38 AM ET
Interesting take. I don't disagree with you. But I will say, we have a lot
Maroon Baboon • 05/18/24 10:30 AM ET
LOL Sure, forget UVa. The only realistic hope VT has of P2 is a close
ancient alien 2018 • 05/18/24 12:20 AM ET
Isn't that really what is driving Clemson and FSU?
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:40 AM ET
Neither Clemson or FSU are in the AAU, they also share a state w/ a rival
Stech • 05/18/24 05:38 AM ET
Florida and USC are not opposed
ren_hoek • 05/18/24 08:17 PM ET
Do you have proof for that?**
Stech • 05/18/24 08:18 PM ET
IMHO AAU is a "country club" membership thing all designed around
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:48 AM ET
We'll know if the B1X really wants them if...
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 06:12 AM ET
Good grief…are folks still prattling on about the AAU?**
marcbvtgm • 05/19/24 07:39 PM ET
F$U and VT are on the cusp of AAU membership
obguthr • 05/18/24 08:11 AM ET
Valuable lessons learned: Iowa State concludes its AAU membership.
WBGV • 05/18/24 01:06 PM ET
Bingo, I've heard that as well in AAU circles
DMV Gobbler • 05/18/24 08:52 AM ET
Never in 1M years would I have thought USF would have been invited
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 08:23 AM ET
USF research funding reaches record high of $692 million
WBGV • 05/18/24 01:26 PM ET
Rumor was that Wisconsin and Michigan were pushing hard for Miami.
hokieball • 05/18/24 10:56 AM ET
well you have to have sponsors that bring folks to the table
DMV Gobbler • 05/18/24 08:55 AM ET
I wouldn't count on any ACC schools wanting to sponsor any other....
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 09:04 AM ET
How often do the invites go out?**
Stech • 05/18/24 07:48 AM ET
I think every 3-5 years.**
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 07:56 AM ET
Then with them Suing to get out now, very doubtful in time for expansion,
Stech • 05/18/24 10:05 AM ET
Would FSU and Clemson have to super-duper promise not to break the B12 GoR?
tarheelblue • 05/18/24 07:11 PM ET
B12 probably would take both
Marooned • 05/18/24 12:18 PM ET
Clemson & FSU Are Not Going to the Big 12
WarHog38 • 05/18/24 11:05 PM ET
They, the BOT, MIGHT have the........
2hhoop3 • 05/18/24 11:23 PM ET
That Would Logically Explain the Chancellor Publicly Going Against the
WarHog38 • 05/19/24 01:10 AM ET
Ironic yet poetic justice......
2hhoop3 • 05/18/24 12:52 PM ET
Greed and selfishness. The justice for FSU and Clemson
saret • 05/18/24 01:15 PM ET