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bigbadbird
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bigbadbird

well at the core is religious differences- same fight of 1000 years

they hate each other- hasn't been settled yet... i watch but have no solutions to offer- i just think Israel is going to make glass factories out of surrounding countries
Posted: 10/21/2024 at 02:34 PM ET
(In response to this post by Beerman)

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If reports of a leak of Israel's strike plans are true... holy F
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 11:59 AM ET
I think it was coordinated by both sides
Victor Tango • 10/21/24 01:50 PM ET
absolutely an intentional leak by the US
HokieAl • 10/21/24 02:21 PM ET
You can blame Hamas for the fact that we are having this discussion.
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 07:16 PM ET
The "fun" part is PM isn't listening to US, and knows decision will impact
ColoVT82 • 10/21/24 02:53 PM ET
we have no one in charge really- its chaos **
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:22 PM ET
It’s even worse than that. **
reconhokie • 10/21/24 03:52 PM ET
Karine Jean-Pierre is secretly in charge & pulling the strings. **
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 06:31 PM ET
Have you seen the doc? SNF TK FVEY. If real, bad leak. Format, hmmm**
ColoVT82 • 10/21/24 12:46 PM ET
IIRC, when the U.S. got Bin Laden the Obama admin did not notify...
Spud • 10/21/24 12:36 PM ET
this**
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 12:26 PM ET
Israel isn't the sole arbiter of right and wrong, either
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:18 PM ET
but they do have a right to try to keep from being wiped off the planet**
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 12:28 PM ET
Not political, just facts: 42,000 people (most women and kids) dead in Gaza
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:32 PM ET
Those are the terrorists’ numbers, correct?**
WestEndHokie39 • 10/21/24 11:00 PM ET
that's the people they steal the food from **
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 08:28 AM ET
Egypt should annex Gaza
Turk Malloy • 10/21/24 03:19 PM ET
they don't want the terrorists that come with it **
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 03:48 PM ET
This assumes either side genuinely wants a two-state solution.**
HWA • 10/21/24 02:03 PM ET
what is going to settle it- is a decisive victory by one side **
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:19 PM ET
There have been several
Beerman • 10/21/24 02:32 PM ET
well at the core is religious differences- same fight of 1000 years ◄
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:34 PM ET
Germany had more WW2 deaths than England, does that mean they were right?**
soldcokesatLane • 10/21/24 01:20 PM ET
How many times have the Palestinians been offered a two state solution?
Happy Dog • 10/21/24 01:09 PM ET
A two-state solution is impossible when one "state's" stated goal is....
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 01:02 PM ET
But at what point is enough enough? Does Israel get a free pass to continue
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 09:24 PM ET
The country allows a terrorist group to run inside it..**
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 08:30 AM ET
I don’t think innocent women and children “allow” anything. **
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 11:54 AM ET
leadership made a decision to sacrfice them - you are right **
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 12:20 PM ET
Sure if you also think that the Oct 7 victims were “sacrificed” because of
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:27 PM ET
that's the rumor- to start the war,,,, who knows **
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 01:07 PM ET
Don't necessarily disagree...now the follow up question...
vthokieq • 10/21/24 01:01 PM ET
I took an Arab-Israeli Conflict class in college.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 10/21/24 01:05 PM ET
Yassar Coleman couldn’t make peace. **
GreenvilleVT • 10/21/24 07:14 PM ET
When I was at VT, we hosted panel with Israeli and SA journalists in 1985
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 04:25 PM ET
Even with no Israel, there wouldn't be peace in the Middle East.**
Atlee Hokie • 10/21/24 02:48 PM ET
Agree.
RJHokie • 10/22/24 09:59 AM ET
Ding ding ding ding ding
vthokieq • 10/21/24 01:07 PM ET
Yep. It was a good 12-15 countries/interest groups, I think.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 10/21/24 01:39 PM ET
Since 1948, that is status quo until it's not**
TomTurkey • 10/21/24 02:49 PM ET
This goes way farther back than WWI or WWII
calihokie • 10/21/24 05:59 PM ET
yep, post WWII redrawing of maps. With a direct tie to WWI and who lost
HokieAl • 10/21/24 03:00 PM ET
Because those different religious groups...
vthokieq • 10/22/24 08:05 AM ET
Bingo!**
TomTurkey • 10/21/24 04:13 PM ET
i think if one of your core principles is that the other people shouldn't
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 01:15 PM ET
Especially if both side's core principal is that the other side shouldn't **
Hokie Chris • 10/21/24 01:22 PM ET
Only one side believes the other shouldn't exist in the sense that...
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 01:43 PM ET
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BleedinOandM • 10/21/24 02:20 PM ET
How about….Give up the hostages and surrender. Otherwise you are complicit**
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 12:59 PM ET
So your options are have Hamas kill you or have Israel kill you? Not sure
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 09:28 PM ET
Per estimates I have seen, there are less than 20,000 Hamas fighters.....
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 10:32 PM ET
The fact that you are tying yourself in knots to try to justify the killing
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 11:45 PM ET
How do you solve the problem and leave Hamas in power? You can’t…..
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 11:57 PM ET
Your response doesn’t address my post. But if your “solution” to
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:11 AM ET
It’s not like you really addressed my post either…..Nonetheless….
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/22/24 12:51 AM ET
is there any act you can think of that if it wasn't done- the situation
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 12:53 PM ET
Who the hell would post this in this context? **
PhotoHokieNC • 10/21/24 12:21 PM ET
Someone who would leak classified docs because they know better
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 12:25 PM ET
See my answer above; unless you all are discussing something new ...
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:34 PM ET
the difference is Hamas targeted women and children
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 01:24 PM ET
It is incredibly rich for Americans to sit in comfort and lecture Israel...
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 01:46 PM ET
It is incredibly rich for Americans to sit in comfort and lecture civilians
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 11:50 PM ET
To be fair....
vthokieq • 10/22/24 08:08 AM ET
Agreed!**
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 11:47 AM ET
Sounds like a talking point; there is good data, and possible solutions
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 04:29 PM ET
So it's Israel's fault that the countries around them want them all dead?
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 05:55 PM ET
Completely random tangent but I really wish that “definition of insanity”
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:02 AM ET
i would say it's not Americans- but America haters...**
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:18 PM ET
Ah the good old, "you don't agree with my opinion so you must hate America"
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 09:39 PM ET
No. I think if you fund Iran and recommend they get Nukes
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 08:17 AM ET
Well the discussion was Israel killing civilians but nice straw man you
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 11:56 AM ET
iran was funded- iran funded oct 7- etc,,,,**
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 12:19 PM ET
Cool… has zero bearing on justifying killing civilians and whether people
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:25 PM ET
were you as outraged over Oct 7- or just the dominating retribution?
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 01:23 PM ET
In what context? I don't want to answer until I understand your thinking**
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:24 PM ET
Yep plant something to smoke out the leak. A colleague did that
Va AandM • 10/21/24 12:18 PM ET
We did that at work a to suspected mole. Embarrassing how fast it got back.**
TomTurkey • 10/21/24 02:52 PM ET
Yup. An oldie but goodie gambit.**
ColoVT82 • 10/21/24 12:48 PM ET
Tyrian Lannister perfected it in GoT.**
Chris ColemanAdmin • 10/21/24 12:30 PM ET