Blaming Whit for FB decline is short sighted
All the FB is #1 folks... please hear me out.
When Whit was hired, Beamer (CFB) had all the power. Beamer had more pull than Weaver following the near-miss with UNC in 2000. From that point on, the AD couldn't really touch CFB or the FB program. The ESPN article describes VT FB in decline under Beamer - before Whit was hired.
When Whit was hired, the VT way under CFB was old school and out-dated. CFB was at the tail end of his career and he likely wasn't pushing for SEC-style spending to update facilities and hire more staff (on that level). When Whit hired FU and retained Bud, everyone thought it would be a home-run. It's a knee-jerk response to want Whit fired for that hire.
One other thing people may not consider is Whit's contract. Message board posters don't pay Whit's salary or bonuses. I'm guessing Whit's contract doesn't say "Make FB Great Again" and ignore everything else. If it does, then yes he has failed. But I'm guessing his contract, bonuses and job performance expectations include things like improving a nearly dead MBB program, improving Olympic sports success, donations, etc. All those things some message board posters say they don't care about... may be critical for Whit in his performance evaluation.
Of course FB is also a big part of it. He made a perceived "home-run" hire (Fu) that didn't work out in part due to lack or funding and perhaps some remaining staff not ready for change. It's not like Whit "walked down the hall" with Fu. So now, Whit learns and hires Pry - a hire that does not "win the press conference"... but he sure does seem like a great fit.
No doubt Whit's fate may be tied to Pry at this point. I don't see the evidence that Whit should be knee-jerk fired tomorrow. Let's let this all play out. I, for one, am hoing for the best.
Thread Replies (63)
I would not be sad if VT moved on from Babcock
-- UGAHokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 01:50 PM ET
UGAHokie
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08/18/23 01:50 PM ET
Blaming Whit for FB decline is short sighted
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-- gman86
Aug 19, 2023 at 05:31 PM ET
gman86
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08/19/23 05:31 PM ET
If/when the ACC collapses, you'll see how relevant all those others sports
-- WildTurkE
Aug 21, 2023 at 01:01 PM ET
WildTurkE
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08/21/23 01:01 PM ET
Right and no AD is/was going to change those handicaps
-- QuinnVT
Aug 21, 2023 at 03:17 PM ET
QuinnVT
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08/21/23 03:17 PM ET
There is no doubt in my mind when SEC expanded to take aTm, we could ...
-- Atlee Hokie
Aug 26, 2023 at 12:00 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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08/26/23 12:00 PM ET
I take the opposite view on Babcock.
-- Zanderhokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 09:29 AM ET
Zanderhokie
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08/19/23 09:29 AM ET
He wouldn't have critics if he can restore the football program. Ammo would
-- NokieHokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 09:30 AM ET
NokieHokie
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08/19/23 09:30 AM ET
He got bov and presidents support
-- Mercury
Aug 19, 2023 at 08:44 AM ET
Mercury
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08/19/23 08:44 AM ET
For the love of God, he's not going anywhere **
-- HokiesACC2004
Aug 18, 2023 at 08:00 PM ET
HokiesACC2004
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08/18/23 08:00 PM ET
For the Love of VT.. He should have been Gone..**
-- JRHokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 06:28 AM ET
JRHokie
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08/19/23 06:28 AM ET
Definitely not you. **
-- Brewing_Hokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 10:25 PM ET
Brewing_Hokie
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08/18/23 10:25 PM ET
You can’t handle the truth! J/k. Everyone should form their own opinions. **
-- Hoakie82
Aug 18, 2023 at 11:20 PM ET
Hoakie82
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08/18/23 11:20 PM ET
There’s the truth and then there’s CALS…..**
-- Brewing_Hokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 12:18 AM ET
Brewing_Hokie
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08/19/23 12:18 AM ET
Well, since there was nothing particularly new in the article that
-- saret
Aug 18, 2023 at 09:26 PM ET
saret
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08/18/23 09:26 PM ET
No, I just do not believe that Whit is nearly the bad guy this makes him
-- VTCALS72
Aug 18, 2023 at 10:13 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/18/23 10:13 PM ET
I don't think the article paints Whit as a ""bad guy."
-- saret
Aug 19, 2023 at 08:32 AM ET
saret
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08/19/23 08:32 AM ET
Here’s what is true and cannot be spun…..
-- MontgomeryTexasHokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 07:13 AM ET
MontgomeryTexasHokie
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08/19/23 07:13 AM ET
Well, Whit actually is totally in charge of the athletic department’s
-- RJHokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 09:37 AM ET
RJHokie
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08/19/23 09:37 AM ET
You make too much sense for CALS to comprehend.**
-- NokieHokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 12:44 PM ET
NokieHokie
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08/19/23 12:44 PM ET
You clearly have never been responsible for a P/L larger than your
-- MontgomeryTexasHokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 09:19 AM ET
MontgomeryTexasHokie
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08/19/23 09:19 AM ET
How do you know what Whit's job is? Were you in on the interview process or
-- NokieHokie
Aug 19, 2023 at 08:41 AM ET
NokieHokie
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08/19/23 08:41 AM ET
So what else is new? I know what you think but respect you anyway.**
-- VTCALS72
Aug 19, 2023 at 08:37 AM ET
VTCALS72
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08/19/23 08:37 AM ET
Again, Whit gets a Gentleman's C.**
-- saret
Aug 19, 2023 at 09:09 AM ET
saret
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08/19/23 09:09 AM ET
That’s a great perspective - I am suspect iof anything that ESPN writes
-- sacramento hokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 08:33 PM ET
sacramento hokie
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08/18/23 08:33 PM ET
Shouldn't it be part of an AD's to do list ...
-- Atlee Hokie
Aug 26, 2023 at 11:28 AM ET
Atlee Hokie
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08/26/23 11:28 AM ET
Whit should have known where VT stood wrt football and finances
-- RJHokie
Aug 26, 2023 at 11:17 AM ET
RJHokie
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08/26/23 11:17 AM ET
Whit has done a lot of good- Men BB with Buzz and then Mike Young, Women
-- VTBoar
Aug 18, 2023 at 04:39 PM ET
VTBoar
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08/18/23 04:39 PM ET
It’s like going to Ruth Chris - The steak was bad but the sides were good
-- OrlandoHokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 06:49 PM ET
OrlandoHokie
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08/18/23 06:49 PM ET
Couldn’t have said it better myself and yes I ate at RC once and your spot
-- SCHokie1103
Aug 18, 2023 at 09:38 PM ET
SCHokie1103
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08/18/23 09:38 PM ET
Not sure football is #1 in the eyes of some who hold the purse strings
-- VTCALS72
Aug 18, 2023 at 08:01 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/18/23 08:01 PM ET
And yet none of that matters financially - sort of his job**
-- WildTurkE
Aug 18, 2023 at 04:41 PM ET
WildTurkE
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08/18/23 04:41 PM ET
Jim Weaver was the ultimate “ balance sheet” guy.. and not sure it was all
-- sacramento hokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 06:39 PM ET
sacramento hokie
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08/18/23 06:39 PM ET
i'm quite sure it was far from all good. actually, i'm positive it wasn't**
-- squarerootofone
Aug 18, 2023 at 08:38 PM ET
squarerootofone
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08/18/23 08:38 PM ET
Correction, ultimate income statement guy and similar outcome
-- soflahokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 06:44 PM ET
soflahokie
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08/18/23 06:44 PM ET
I would reckon you would hate to hear some of the stories
-- Rationalist
Aug 18, 2023 at 04:30 PM ET
Rationalist
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08/18/23 04:30 PM ET
He should’ve fired the women’s soccer coach.
-- Hoakie82
Aug 18, 2023 at 04:53 PM ET
Hoakie82
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08/18/23 04:53 PM ET
I know some of the story
-- Rationalist
Aug 18, 2023 at 09:07 PM ET
Rationalist
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08/18/23 09:07 PM ET
You should goggle it. If we get into it here, it’ll be deleted. **
-- Hoakie82
Aug 18, 2023 at 11:17 PM ET
Hoakie82
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08/18/23 11:17 PM ET
And yet you brought it up anyway**
-- Gobbler-100
Aug 19, 2023 at 05:33 AM ET
Gobbler-100
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08/19/23 05:33 AM ET
Just said the coach should’ve been fired. Didn’t say way. If you dont like
-- Hoakie82
Aug 20, 2023 at 11:04 PM ET
Hoakie82
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08/20/23 11:04 PM ET
Absolutely!!!***
-- sacramento hokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 05:50 PM ET
sacramento hokie
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08/18/23 05:50 PM ET
Oh come on - all of these articles are so fluffed up
-- NOFX
Aug 18, 2023 at 03:54 PM ET
NOFX
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08/18/23 03:54 PM ET
I am probably wrong but I significantly blame most of THIS on him....
-- banishedtothelounge
Aug 18, 2023 at 03:40 PM ET
banishedtothelounge
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08/18/23 03:40 PM ET
He's been an AD for over a decade.
-- Pylons
Aug 18, 2023 at 05:11 PM ET
Pylons
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08/18/23 05:11 PM ET
In the realignment world, the Sands/Babcock duo are a frightening pair.
-- UEMcGill
Aug 18, 2023 at 04:23 PM ET
UEMcGill
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08/18/23 04:23 PM ET
What options do they have?
-- HokiesACC2004
Aug 18, 2023 at 08:01 PM ET
HokiesACC2004
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08/18/23 08:01 PM ET
It's not the leaving part, it's the aftermath of an ACC implosion that is
-- UEMcGill
Aug 18, 2023 at 08:59 PM ET
UEMcGill
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08/18/23 08:59 PM ET
Excellent point - Sands wants to make us Berkeley and Whit I am still on
-- sacramento hokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 05:52 PM ET
sacramento hokie
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08/18/23 05:52 PM ET
James Madison is Whit's target**
-- tallahasseehokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 10:50 PM ET
tallahasseehokie
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08/18/23 10:50 PM ET
I think Purdue is the Sands goal…**
-- Tuckahokie
Aug 18, 2023 at 07:43 PM ET
Tuckahokie
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08/18/23 07:43 PM ET
Sort of ironic given our game 2 opponent in Lane.**
-- seacain
Aug 18, 2023 at 09:12 PM ET
seacain
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08/18/23 09:12 PM ET