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Blaming Whit for FB decline is short sighted

All the FB is #1 folks... please hear me out. When Whit was hired, Beamer (CFB) had all the power. Beamer had more pull than Weaver following the near-miss with UNC in 2000. From that point on, the AD couldn't really touch CFB or the FB program. The ESPN article describes VT FB in decline under Beamer - before Whit was hired. When Whit was hired, the VT way under CFB was old school and out-dated. CFB was at the tail end of his career and he likely wasn't pushing for SEC-style spending to update facilities and hire more staff (on that level). When Whit hired FU and retained Bud, everyone thought it would be a home-run. It's a knee-jerk response to want Whit fired for that hire. One other thing people may not consider is Whit's contract. Message board posters don't pay Whit's salary or bonuses. I'm guessing Whit's contract doesn't say "Make FB Great Again" and ignore everything else. If it does, then yes he has failed. But I'm guessing his contract, bonuses and job performance expectations include things like improving a nearly dead MBB program, improving Olympic sports success, donations, etc. All those things some message board posters say they don't care about... may be critical for Whit in his performance evaluation. Of course FB is also a big part of it. He made a perceived "home-run" hire (Fu) that didn't work out in part due to lack or funding and perhaps some remaining staff not ready for change. It's not like Whit "walked down the hall" with Fu. So now, Whit learns and hires Pry - a hire that does not "win the press conference"... but he sure does seem like a great fit. No doubt Whit's fate may be tied to Pry at this point. I don't see the evidence that Whit should be knee-jerk fired tomorrow. Let's let this all play out. I, for one, am hoing for the best.
Posted: 08/19/2023 at 05:31 PM ET
(In response to this post by UGAHokie)

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I would not be sad if VT moved on from Babcock
UGAHokie 08/18/23 01:50 PM ET
Blaming Whit for FB decline is short sighted
gman86 08/19/23 05:31 PM ET
If/when the ACC collapses, you'll see how relevant all those others sports
WildTurkE 08/21/23 01:01 PM ET
Right and no AD is/was going to change those handicaps
QuinnVT 08/21/23 03:17 PM ET
There is no doubt in my mind when SEC expanded to take aTm, we could ...
Atlee Hokie 08/26/23 12:00 PM ET
I take the opposite view on Babcock.
Zanderhokie 08/19/23 09:29 AM ET
He wouldn't have critics if he can restore the football program. Ammo would
NokieHokie 08/19/23 09:30 AM ET
He got bov and presidents support
Mercury 08/19/23 08:44 AM ET
Why is your.....
2hhoop3 08/19/23 09:42 AM ET
For the love of God, he's not going anywhere **
HokiesACC2004 08/18/23 08:00 PM ET
For the Love of VT.. He should have been Gone..**
JRHokie 08/19/23 06:28 AM ET
Whom do you believe?
VTCALS72 08/18/23 07:57 PM ET
Definitely not you. **
Brewing_Hokie 08/18/23 10:25 PM ET
You can’t handle the truth! J/k. Everyone should form their own opinions. **
Hoakie82 08/18/23 11:20 PM ET
There’s the truth and then there’s CALS…..**
Brewing_Hokie 08/19/23 12:18 AM ET
Well, since there was nothing particularly new in the article that
saret 08/18/23 09:26 PM ET
No, I just do not believe that Whit is nearly the bad guy this makes him
VTCALS72 08/18/23 10:13 PM ET
I don't think the article paints Whit as a ""bad guy."
saret 08/19/23 08:32 AM ET
Here’s what is true and cannot be spun…..
MontgomeryTexasHokie 08/19/23 07:13 AM ET
No that is not true
VTCALS72 08/19/23 07:42 AM ET
Well, Whit actually is totally in charge of the athletic department’s
RJHokie 08/19/23 09:37 AM ET
You make too much sense for CALS to comprehend.**
NokieHokie 08/19/23 12:44 PM ET
You clearly have never been responsible for a P/L larger than your
MontgomeryTexasHokie 08/19/23 09:19 AM ET
How do you know what Whit's job is? Were you in on the interview process or
NokieHokie 08/19/23 08:41 AM ET
Methinks you protest too much. **
saret 08/19/23 08:33 AM ET
So what else is new? I know what you think but respect you anyway.**
VTCALS72 08/19/23 08:37 AM ET
Again, Whit gets a Gentleman's C.**
saret 08/19/23 09:09 AM ET
Yeah, we got to 3-8 because …
VPI63 08/19/23 05:56 AM ET
Somewhere in between**
VTCALS72 08/19/23 07:43 AM ET
That’s a great perspective - I am suspect iof anything that ESPN writes
sacramento hokie 08/18/23 08:33 PM ET
I like Babcock
HokieKoch 08/18/23 07:23 PM ET
Shouldn't it be part of an AD's to do list ...
Atlee Hokie 08/26/23 11:28 AM ET
Whit should have known where VT stood wrt football and finances
RJHokie 08/26/23 11:17 AM ET
Wasn’t Beamer after coaching
RiverVT 08/18/23 08:40 PM ET
Mixed reviews I’d say
HokieKoch 08/26/23 10:35 AM ET
Whit has done a lot of good- Men BB with Buzz and then Mike Young, Women
VTBoar 08/18/23 04:39 PM ET
It’s like going to Ruth Chris - The steak was bad but the sides were good
OrlandoHokie 08/18/23 06:49 PM ET
Couldn’t have said it better myself and yes I ate at RC once and your spot
SCHokie1103 08/18/23 09:38 PM ET
Not sure football is #1 in the eyes of some who hold the purse strings
VTCALS72 08/18/23 08:01 PM ET
And yet none of that matters financially - sort of his job**
WildTurkE 08/18/23 04:41 PM ET
Jim Weaver was the ultimate “ balance sheet” guy.. and not sure it was all
sacramento hokie 08/18/23 06:39 PM ET
i'm quite sure it was far from all good. actually, i'm positive it wasn't**
squarerootofone 08/18/23 08:38 PM ET
Correction, ultimate income statement guy and similar outcome
soflahokie 08/18/23 06:44 PM ET
Actually .......
2hhoop3 08/18/23 07:01 PM ET
I would reckon you would hate to hear some of the stories
Rationalist 08/18/23 04:30 PM ET
He should’ve fired the women’s soccer coach.
Hoakie82 08/18/23 04:53 PM ET
I know some of the story
Rationalist 08/18/23 09:07 PM ET
You should goggle it. If we get into it here, it’ll be deleted. **
Hoakie82 08/18/23 11:17 PM ET
Oh, I have
Rationalist 08/19/23 03:44 PM ET
And yet you brought it up anyway**
Gobbler-100 08/19/23 05:33 AM ET
Just said the coach should’ve been fired. Didn’t say way. If you dont like
Hoakie82 08/20/23 11:04 PM ET
Absolutely!!!***
sacramento hokie 08/18/23 05:50 PM ET
Oh come on - all of these articles are so fluffed up
NOFX 08/18/23 03:54 PM ET
I am probably wrong but I significantly blame most of THIS on him....
banishedtothelounge 08/18/23 03:40 PM ET
Very Inexperience as a Leader
RiverVT 08/18/23 03:30 PM ET
He's been an AD for over a decade.
Pylons 08/18/23 05:11 PM ET
In the realignment world, the Sands/Babcock duo are a frightening pair.
UEMcGill 08/18/23 04:23 PM ET
What options do they have?
HokiesACC2004 08/18/23 08:01 PM ET
It's not the leaving part, it's the aftermath of an ACC implosion that is
UEMcGill 08/18/23 08:59 PM ET
Excellent point - Sands wants to make us Berkeley and Whit I am still on
sacramento hokie 08/18/23 05:52 PM ET
James Madison is Whit's target**
tallahasseehokie 08/18/23 10:50 PM ET
I think Purdue is the Sands goal…**
Tuckahokie 08/18/23 07:43 PM ET
Sort of ironic given our game 2 opponent in Lane.**
seacain 08/18/23 09:12 PM ET
Yep**
Femoyer Hokie 08/18/23 09:11 PM ET