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Bburg Mac

A Power 5 program is no place for on-the-job training for coaches.

As Fu's regime and possibly the current one have shown. Believe both the OC and DC should be highly experienced to succeed at this level.
Posted: 09/29/2022 at 05:32 AM ET
(In response to this post by BG Hokie)

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What percent chance do you think the last regime will be considered better
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 04:52 PM ET
Absolutely not enough data to even give a ballpark projection on that
Zanderhokie • 09/30/22 09:38 AM ET
It’s never too early to predict the future on a message board where only
BG Hokie • 09/30/22 10:20 AM ET
Just sayin'.. any answer anyone attempts to give you will be a stupid one
Zanderhokie • 09/30/22 11:31 AM ET
Wow 4 games in
Planner_Hokie • 09/29/22 09:16 PM ET
I don’t understand this response. It’s a legitimate question. One that’s
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 09:22 PM ET
As Yogi said 90 percent of the game is half mental***
sacramento hokie • 09/29/22 04:33 PM ET
you will hear the talent excuses, which may have something to do with it
VaTechie • 09/29/22 03:27 PM ET
Gotta love revisionist history
fordham • 09/29/22 10:07 PM ET
Won't know until we see what recruiting looks like in a couple years.
4dhokies • 09/29/22 03:19 PM ET
Way too early to say. This a ground up rebuild that will take years
HOHKIE • 09/29/22 01:36 PM ET
This teams lacks talent. Pure and simple.
VTGungHO • 09/29/22 01:17 PM ET
Agree but why are our 4 returning OL who were solid at run blocking horrid
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 04:44 PM ET
We completely changed the blocking scheme and philosophy
Zanderhokie • 09/30/22 11:33 AM ET
YUP**
OldRetiredHokie • 09/29/22 02:38 PM ET
this may be a Pollyanna view, but I'm not taking anything from this season.
reestuart • 09/29/22 12:20 PM ET
The regression of solid players who have gotten worse under THIS staff is
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 12:23 PM ET
Player development is obviously a key component of coaching ability.
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 12:36 PM ET
I think Pry is a better CEO for the program than Fuente. But ultimately...
Gobbler Guru • 09/29/22 11:39 AM ET
that assumes fact not in evidence
VTCALS72 • 09/29/22 12:30 PM ET
Geez people. Patience **
fordham • 09/29/22 10:24 AM ET
Why shouldn’t this thought process be applicable 33% into the first season?
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 11:45 AM ET
The staff just got here and it is a useless question
fordham • 09/29/22 01:39 PM ET
Of course, we're not the decision makers. It's a discussion forum for
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 05:19 PM ET
I hope I'm wrong but I have a very bad feeling....
TekkNerd • 09/29/22 09:38 AM ET
Hiring a relatively unknown coordinator felt great? …….
CrystalCoveHokie • 09/29/22 11:02 AM ET
That abysmal mess in Jacksonville last season under Meyer seems to have
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 12:05 PM ET
I guess was still on the high of the new hire?
TekkNerd • 09/29/22 11:20 AM ET
The fan base was sold the Beamer/Cultural fit ties and in typical fashion
IronBlood • 09/29/22 11:12 AM ET
The fan base also saw VT coaches entering Virginia high schools for...
EDGEMAN • 09/29/22 11:25 AM ET
IF those High Schools have talent. I'm not sure getting Kent St kids helps**
3TechFanz • 09/29/22 02:29 PM ET
The idea is to "show the flag," even years they don't have players for us.
EDGEMAN • 09/29/22 04:40 PM ET
I get that. But we are offering kids now we wouldn’t have 20 years ago **
3TechFanz • 09/30/22 08:11 AM ET
We sign the kids who want to play for VT
EDGEMAN • 09/30/22 08:31 AM ET
Yeah, I think Pry has a good plan/process re: recruiting relative to the
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 12:00 PM ET
A VT HC make a tough choice on offensive staff? I'll believe when I see it.**
NokieHokie • 09/29/22 12:57 PM ET
Pry got to fix this..
JRHokie • 09/29/22 10:54 AM ET
So fire the staff? Doubt that would help anything
fordham • 09/29/22 01:46 PM ET
Either Fix It or Replace them.
JRHokie • 09/29/22 03:03 PM ET
Well, on the bright side …
VPI63 • 09/29/22 10:52 AM ET
Only stupid fans didn’t like the jet sweep. It was a successful play.
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 12:03 PM ET
Only that we haven't run one in the first four games...lol**
EDGEMAN • 09/29/22 11:25 AM ET
Would love to see a jet sweep or 2, instead of running it up the middle
santafe • 09/29/22 10:55 AM ET
no man, no**
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 11:16 AM ET
Why? You don’t like running plays that average 6+ yds vs 1 yd?**
hokiepro • 09/29/22 07:41 PM ET
I'm sure it has happened, but I don't remember seeing any running back
IronBlood • 09/29/22 10:54 AM ET
After 4 games? Who is our saviour
fordham • 09/29/22 10:25 AM ET
I think he's talking about Nick Saban.**
EDGEMAN • 09/29/22 10:35 AM ET
I think Pry was probably at best our 3rd choice
EmpireHokie • 09/29/22 10:12 AM ET
Coach Pry has done everything expected to rebuild the program so far...
EDGEMAN • 09/29/22 10:06 AM ET
He has done some good, yes, but...
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 12:48 PM ET
If our “o line could remember how to run block”. That’s on the coaches!
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 11:50 AM ET
Get over yourself, PIT ran for 2.0 against WVU**
ACC_Hoops • 09/29/22 01:31 PM ET
Get over myself? Where have I talked about myself? I'm talking VT football
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 05:22 PM ET
I don't want to pull the plug on him, just feeling pessimistic.**
TekkNerd • 09/29/22 10:09 AM ET
Don't think anyone is happy with our lack of a rushing attack
EDGEMAN • 09/29/22 10:17 AM ET
Also 3rd in most number of penalties...and bottom ten in most yards given
Tuckahokie • 09/29/22 10:27 AM ET
I'll give that an asterisk. The two games with the massive penalties...
EDGEMAN • 09/29/22 10:34 AM ET
i think 4 games deep on a complete rebuild may be a bit early.....**
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 09:48 AM ET
Eh, 4 returning OL, a good efficient QB transfer all look remarkably worse
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 11:54 AM ET
I wrote this year off to a large degree...but did hold out hope for at
Tuckahokie • 09/29/22 10:19 AM ET
Jeez, after 4 games, u r at this point? Pitiful!!**
83Hokie • 09/29/22 09:35 AM ET
Good contribution to discussion!**
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 12:08 PM ET
It’s anyones guess
Hokie1992 • 09/29/22 09:30 AM ET
.6% maybe **
whatIpostlike • 09/29/22 09:05 AM ET
Maybe 10%, this staff has made adjustments the last one never did
soflahokie • 09/29/22 08:05 AM ET
we look like a football team- i mean at times we getting it kicked - but ,
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 09:33 AM ET
I disagree. We look way less "functional" than we did at any point under
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 11:26 AM ET
it's ok to be wrong- i won't judge you **
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 11:32 AM ET
It is ok... but in this case I'm not. I was trying to be polite but if you
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 11:52 AM ET
the offense is not good- the D is way better- but running a complex o
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 12:00 PM ET
So last year = no fundamentals and the OL graded out pretty well.
IronBlood • 09/29/22 12:11 PM ET
who graded them? the same people that designed the zone blocking scheme
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 12:15 PM ET
Maybe it was guys who thought we'd have more than 35 yards rushing on 17
IronBlood • 09/29/22 12:33 PM ET
not the new ones- the OLD grades ? who did those- you are comparing **
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 12:37 PM ET
I can't speak for him but I know CC usually uses PFF when comparing a
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 12:45 PM ET
Ok so Option B then "you just want to hate on Fuente irrationally". I'll
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 12:11 PM ET
Homers aren’t rational. It feels better to just continue with honeymoon
BG Hokie • 09/29/22 11:58 AM ET
maybe- but i don't miss fuente- and whit has blasted us to the stoneage
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 12:04 PM ET
The crazy thing it's not like I'm advocating getting rid of Pry. It's
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 12:04 PM ET
I thought the coordinator hires would be better and mostly still think that
6thStreetHokie • 09/29/22 06:01 AM ET
I was always skeptical given bowen’s inexperience **
VAHokie89 • 09/29/22 07:00 AM ET
say that to his face
whatIpostlike • 09/29/22 09:08 AM ET
A Power 5 program is no place for on-the-job training for coaches. ◄
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 05:32 AM ET
I think you overestimate the draw (and $$$) VT has right now. We weren't
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 11:20 AM ET
The program budget increased to 5-6th in ACC? Not sure our OC/DC earns it**
3TechFanz • 09/29/22 02:31 PM ET
Whether the current guys "earn it" or not is not really relevant. I was
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 04:42 PM ET
If take a cincy coordibator **
3TechFanz • 09/30/22 08:12 AM ET
Yes, money is a huge factor...
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 12:12 PM ET
Like I said by all means throw out some names but I think you'll struggle
AbsolutVT03 • 09/29/22 12:37 PM ET
We should have ordered one from Amazon!**
fordham • 09/29/22 10:27 AM ET
Would have gotten free shipping
GCHokieof91 • 09/29/22 11:19 AM ET
Where do you think the "highly experienced" coaches can come from"
VTCALS72 • 09/29/22 09:20 AM ET
Does not need to be "blueblood" to be a solid coach. Look at Mike Young.
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 11:56 AM ET
Two points on that
VTCALS72 • 09/29/22 12:20 PM ET
Was never a fan of Fu. Smart was clearly experienced at the highest levels.
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 12:31 PM ET
I didn't do that, I compared Smart to our Pry hire.
VTCALS72 • 09/29/22 12:40 PM ET
Not a flame or arguing with you
MontgomeryTexasHokie • 09/29/22 08:22 AM ET
Yes, but recruiting and obtaining good talent is clearly part of the job.
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 11:50 AM ET
The receivers are not so so but almost all are new and just started
fordham • 09/29/22 10:29 AM ET
This 100%**
extremehokie • 09/29/22 07:06 AM ET
We didn't have a choice.
ChrisLords • 09/29/22 06:07 AM ET
No issue with HC selection. I have issues with his OC and DC picks
3TechFanz • 09/29/22 07:13 AM ET
That is my main point.
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 12:00 PM ET
We didn’t hire a top notch OC. We hired a
VAHokie89 • 09/29/22 07:02 AM ET
Same for the DC.**
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 12:01 PM ET
You forgot option #3..J C Price :)**
VPI63 • 09/29/22 01:36 AM ET
Uh no **
3TechFanz • 09/29/22 07:13 AM ET
His record is perfect in conference play …
VPI63 • 09/29/22 10:02 AM ET
Lost to Miami. They’re in conference right? Love the guy -
3TechFanz • 09/29/22 10:05 AM ET
We definitely have 2 camps of fans really polarized
Mercury • 09/28/22 09:54 PM ET
3rd camp … can’t ever be pleased, no matter what **
83Hokie • 09/29/22 09:37 AM ET
That’s too simple. I just think both are likely 4 or 5 year coaches that
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 10:03 PM ET
YAWN.**
seacain • 09/28/22 11:06 PM ET
Realistically most coaches only last 4-5 years
DarylS • 09/28/22 10:15 PM ET
I feel far from spoiled …. ODU loss in Norfolk 2 consecutive times ?
VPI63 • 09/29/22 10:16 AM ET
Agree, but make no mistake I’m saying 4 or 5 years and not moving onto
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 10:19 PM ET
Blutarsky - control freak who couldn't handle a local reporter questioning
bigbadbird • 09/28/22 09:38 PM ET
Eh, being an ass to local reporters is irrelevant to this convo. If a coach
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 10:21 PM ET
i think the fact he couldn't handle the stress of that room indicated how
bigbadbird • 09/29/22 08:14 AM ET
x---->0**
Riverguy • 09/28/22 08:30 PM ET
x > 0 is what you’re saying, correct? Or you’re dreaming that x = 0?
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 10:17 PM ET
?? LOL.**
seacain • 09/28/22 11:07 PM ET
0%
VT Pops • 09/28/22 07:48 PM ET
Better yet, what percent chance do you think
GCHokieof91 • 09/28/22 07:11 PM ET
Message Board or real life?**
VaTechHokiesACC • 09/29/22 05:41 AM ET
Fanbase ? No. Fanboys on this board ? Yes **
cvillehokie07 • 09/28/22 09:46 PM ET
The fan base as a whole? Very low. Less than 10%. Certain vocal
Tombo • 09/28/22 09:38 PM ET
We have money and we went bargain basement shopping for coaches.....
ChrisLords • 09/29/22 01:16 AM ET
VT is playing @Liberty. We act cheap**
hokeyhokie • 09/29/22 05:38 AM ET
We are cheap....
ChrisLords • 09/29/22 06:12 AM ET
100%. You’re new to message boards?**
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 08:23 PM ET
Impatience
68Hokie • 09/28/22 07:53 PM ET
I expected 6-6. It’s the appearance of a lack of competency and cohesion
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 08:40 PM ET
100%**
hokiesrule98 • 09/28/22 07:13 PM ET
Fu inherited a full house left over from Frank. Pry has a pair of 3s and is
Fatman • 09/28/22 06:57 PM ET
Well...FU inherited way more talent than he left, that's for sure, but
hok1eboy • 09/28/22 09:00 PM ET
If Fuente had won last year close games, he would still be here **
Durham Hokie • 09/29/22 04:44 PM ET
Agreed, but it is inarguable that his ability to recruit, retain and
hok1eboy • 09/29/22 09:26 PM ET
The in game problems are deeper than low talent level. Solid players are
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 08:25 PM ET
ALot of fans didnt want to see the team's deterioration from 2012 to 2016
Mercury • 09/28/22 10:03 PM ET
I’d be happy with nail biters**
sandmanfan06 • 09/29/22 07:08 AM ET
Commitments in.......
2hhoop3 • 09/28/22 10:18 PM ET
Franks last teams were bad. **
MrFantastic! • 09/28/22 07:39 PM ET
BTW
VTBird541 • 09/28/22 07:37 PM ET
We do have a low ish talent level compared to what we need to excel but
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 08:45 PM ET
Frank left him a full house?
VTBird541 • 09/28/22 07:03 PM ET
You seriously think the current roster could compete with Fuente's first?
MP4VT2004 • 09/28/22 09:02 PM ET
Agree, the game wouldn’t be close but Fuente took over in 2016 and the 2015
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 10:12 PM ET
Um no, Evan’s made 2 avg to below coaches look good for 1 year
Polito1 • 09/28/22 11:44 PM ET
So put it another way, Fu and Corn didn't stop Evans from reaching his
IronBlood • 09/29/22 12:44 AM ET
I don't think it's fair to compare Grant Wells to Jerod Evans.
MP4VT2004 • 09/28/22 10:40 PM ET
Exactly, the revisionist history to put The last regime in the worst light
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 08:27 PM ET
No, they looked like they didn't know what they were doing.**
Bburg Mac • 09/29/22 12:17 PM ET
Yes, that time out against Liberty was… umm…. Well, ummm.. 💩 🤔**
VPI63 • 09/29/22 11:13 AM ET
His biggest problem was staff management (hiring & firing, etc.)
UpperQuad • 09/28/22 10:29 PM ET
Too small a sample to make a fair comparison.
KeithHokie89 • 09/28/22 06:49 PM ET
Of course it is, but why limit fanatic discussion in the manner you’re
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 08:28 PM ET
The last regime's defense is a tough limbo bar to go underneath**
UpperQuad • 09/28/22 06:35 PM ET
Yeah, that’s what I was hoping too…**
BG Hokie • 09/28/22 08:29 PM ET
Not very confident at the moment ....**
MaryWashGrad • 09/28/22 05:17 PM ET
12 penalties a game is hard to swallow**
hokietom87 • 09/28/22 05:23 PM ET