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HokieNL
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Fundamentally, I want to agree with you...

Betting on yourself, or your team, to win. Seems straightforward to me. If that's the only bet you make, or if none of any other bets you make, conflict. Still, even in the best of scenarios, money talks. This goes beyond gambling, and has been around for quite a while. Fixed games have always been an issue. Looking back in NFL History, people have long pointed to the Jets beating the Colts in SB3, as a thrown game. The AFL-NFL merger needed the Jets to win, for credibility. Green Bay won the first two, defeating Kansas City 35-10 and Oakland 33-14. The Packers never trailed in either game. Green Bay led the Raiders 33-7 before Oakland got a cosmetic score. (The Chiefs game was actually more competitive, being only 14-10 at Halftime.) Not looking good for the AFL at that point. The NFL won the first two encounters, by an average of 22 points, more than three touchdowns. (Keep in mind that the 2 Point Conversion, in the NFL, did not exist then.) It has been said that Earl Morrall, Baltimore's QB, played obviously badly on several key occasions. Despite numerous trips deep in Jets territory, the Colts came away with zero points, until late in the game, after trailing 16-0. Was there any gambling involved? Why did Joe Namath, before the game, make his famous guarantee of a New York win, for the 17 (or so) point underdogs? Did he know? Was the fix in? Was that a signal to somebody, that the operation was a go? Even if gambling, in the way we normally understand it to be, was not involved, the monetary stake of the legitimacy of the merger, was. And that, of course, means... a whole lot of money. Were key Colt players, and maybe Head Coach Don Shula, instructed to lay down? Who knows? Or, did the Jets win fair and square? Years later, Bubba Smith, the great DE for Baltimore, gave his opinion. Just remember - any time money is involved, fraud can happen. The bigger the money - the bigger the possibility of fraud, and the bigger amounts of said fraud, are a great temptation. ** Edited by HokieNL at 6/10/2026, 11:37:05 AM
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Posted: 06/10/2026 at 11:24 AM ET
(In response to this post by NOFX)

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Consider encouraging Virginia Tech to take a stand against Texas Tech
Miller_Time • 06/09/26 07:52 PM ET
VT should take action through the ACC
VT ChemE 1986 • 06/10/26 12:05 PM ET
No way, faster all the rules get broken the faster regulations come back
soflahokie • 06/10/26 10:55 AM ET
CLEARED NIL deals can't include performance incentives
Beerman • 06/10/26 01:24 PM ET
This is another symptom.....
2hhoop3 • 06/10/26 01:44 PM ET
Isn't it just a temp injunction issued by a local judge in...Lubbock, TX?
marcbvtgm • 06/10/26 10:23 AM ET
Heard the lawyer who did Mensah transfer case on SiriusXM said 30 days b4
HoakieBS • 06/10/26 11:53 AM ET
Condoning dysfunction is rampant. Lets see what happens down the road**
ColoVT82 • 06/10/26 10:07 AM ET
Before you get too.......
2hhoop3 • 06/10/26 09:47 AM ET
One of the biggest problems...
The_VT_Rock • 06/10/26 09:30 AM ET
But he also gave $$$ to FRIENDS to place bets for him? 90k over 3 yrs is
HoakieBS • 06/10/26 02:36 PM ET
Given the schools ARE the NCAA, how are you differentiating between the
VTHokie2000 • 06/10/26 11:53 AM ET
I think many would be disappointed to find out how prevalent betting is now
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 08:15 AM ET
It could run the whole sport. If we allow athletes to throw games so that
ChrisLords • 06/10/26 03:44 AM ET
Cheerleaders - **
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 08:22 AM ET
Since you broke the #1 rule...
EDGEMAN • 06/10/26 08:45 AM ET
Nice save, EDGE!**
HokieNL • 06/10/26 10:33 AM ET
there should be an understanding among AP voters
lazarus1 • 06/09/26 10:54 PM ET
The outcry on this has really surprised me
NOFX • 06/09/26 10:09 PM ET
He shook the m$n$y tree**
HokieNL • 06/10/26 10:35 AM ET
All that is awful, and I agree, but this is something within the game that
reestuart • 06/10/26 08:22 AM ET
How does betting FOR your team affect outcomes though?
NOFX • 06/10/26 08:47 AM ET
Say he loses the bet, and lots of other nba, nfl, nhl, cfb, cbb bets and
HoakieBS • 06/10/26 10:47 AM ET
Imagine he bets on his team to cover the spread of 4 points.
Pride_and_Joy • 06/10/26 09:09 AM ET
Again, this is a different argument
NOFX • 06/10/26 09:12 AM ET
Here's a scenario. His team is down by 21 just before halftime. Coach tells
HokieToph • 06/12/26 03:02 PM ET
This could happen with or without a bet
NOFX • 06/14/26 11:09 AM ET
I don't mean to offend you but are you trying to be obtuse? There are
HoustonHokie • 06/10/26 03:42 PM ET
I'm honestly not
NOFX • 06/10/26 06:30 PM ET
Not taking into account "it could lead to this" is looking at his actions
reestuart • 06/11/26 08:24 AM ET
You are making a statement and then praying
VT ChemE 1986 • 06/10/26 12:08 PM ET
Should he be allowed to run a casino out of his dorm? I mean irreparable
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 11:25 AM ET
Again, if he LOSES those bets and gets massively in debt, he becomes prey.
HoakieBS • 06/10/26 10:59 AM ET
It's not different. He bet on his team to win. He gets that TD, and they
reestuart • 06/10/26 09:29 AM ET
It is different. He's talking about a spread bet. I'm only talking ML**
NOFX • 06/10/26 09:33 AM ET
In this scenario, they could win. He throws a pick, and they lose.
reestuart • 06/10/26 09:36 AM ET
That is an excellent point, and a great illustration of some problems...
HokieNL • 06/10/26 10:23 AM ET
I've seen so many crazy plays that changed wager outcomes through the years
reestuart • 06/10/26 10:33 AM ET
Ha - not sure how many other ways I can say it
NOFX • 06/10/26 09:45 AM ET
Fundamentally, I want to agree with you... ◄
HokieNL • 06/10/26 11:24 AM ET
I understand what you are saying. But there are an infinite number of ways
reestuart • 06/10/26 09:58 AM ET
This is why Pete Rose got what he deserved. He was THE manager.
marcbvtgm • 06/10/26 10:29 AM ET
But the athletes who didn't bet are also playing to win
NOFX • 06/10/26 10:28 AM ET
He can "miss" a WR that he has an over wager on. Probably doesn't matter
reestuart • 06/10/26 10:31 AM ET
Again, this is a different bet!!
NOFX • 06/10/26 10:38 AM ET
The problem is.....
2hhoop3 • 06/10/26 09:54 AM ET
He made 40 + bets on IU games. He was only there 2 years, so he clearly
reestuart • 06/10/26 09:59 AM ET
You highlight.....
2hhoop3 • 06/10/26 10:13 AM ET
The BIG has a lot of dirty laundry; this is just one of those pieces. **
RJHokie • 06/10/26 10:31 AM ET
They absolutely need to find out who knew and when. The coaches from
reestuart • 06/10/26 10:30 AM ET
Might explain why the Big Ten is determined to punish Texas Tech for
VTHokie2000 • 06/10/26 12:35 PM ET
Why is that the only kind of bet you're interested in?
Pride_and_Joy • 06/10/26 09:24 AM ET
From what I understood, that was the only kind of bet he placed
NOFX • 06/10/26 09:28 AM ET
Negative bets, prop bets. **
Pride_and_Joy • 06/10/26 09:30 AM ET
It can affect a whole bunch of other wagers. His passing yards for one...
reestuart • 06/10/26 08:52 AM ET
These are all different things - "slippery slope" seems to be the argument
NOFX • 06/10/26 09:00 AM ET
But it's real. He was betting with other people's accounts also.
reestuart • 06/10/26 09:04 AM ET
Yeah idk, I'm missing something I guess
NOFX • 06/10/26 09:11 AM ET
I’m for sure working with my boy at another to rig some bets
soflahokie • 06/10/26 10:59 AM ET
If done right, nobody will ever notice. The FBI watched hours upon hours
reestuart • 06/10/26 11:50 AM ET
prop bets- over/under- betting and not winning and owing - and thus
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 08:50 AM ET
These are all different bets. I talking about a straight up ML on team win**
NOFX • 06/10/26 09:00 AM ET
that's not what he was doing though. He placed prop bets on teammates,
reestuart • 06/10/26 09:07 AM ET
He could quit if he wanted to- he just doesn't want to
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 09:17 AM ET
so you can gamble but only certain bets? what if you split with other team
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 09:06 AM ET
yes they are all scuzballs but you don't bet on your team or your sport,
lazarus1 • 06/09/26 10:56 PM ET
Never Bet against yourself-
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 08:16 AM ET
Curious - would you consider betting against his team worse than betting
NOFX • 06/09/26 10:59 PM ET
I think they're close to equal. **
reestuart • 06/10/26 08:23 AM ET
Equally bad in my opinion**
Hate2SeeItEnd Hokie • 06/10/26 07:07 AM ET
doesn't matter how you bet; if you DON'T bet on your team's upcoming
lazarus1 • 06/09/26 11:05 PM ET
Ahhhhh ok, that's an interesting point**
NOFX • 06/09/26 11:13 PM ET
Well, those other things are about morality. This is a threat to the game.
Hokie622 • 06/09/26 10:39 PM ET
I don't understand that part either though
NOFX • 06/09/26 10:50 PM ET
The 3 judge appellate court in Texas will most likely overturn this
tallahasseehokie • 06/09/26 09:15 PM ET
Does the Court have a scrolling ticker sponsored by FanDuel like ESPN?
bigbadbird • 06/10/26 08:18 AM ET
I wouldn't be so sure...
SMU Pony • 06/09/26 10:59 PM ET
Wonder what UT and aTm have to say about this situation?
VT ChemE 1986 • 06/10/26 12:11 PM ET
And if all they care about is football they’ll uphold it if the care about
D-Day • 06/10/26 01:45 AM ET
apparently though, due to the crowded court docket
lazarus1 • 06/09/26 10:58 PM ET