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and tbh they need to be. We aren't competitive enough in them so why fund

them? Fund other sports at a higher level and get better...
Posted: 08/11/2025 at 10:29 AM ET
(In response to this post by saret)

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Great discussion on Whit's BoV presentation...
Telionis • 08/10/25 03:15 PM ET
So here is my question
Squatro • 08/11/25 02:42 PM ET
That's why I don't like the value slides. VT as a school is doing good
HokieAl • 08/11/25 03:51 PM ET
VT’s athletic success spurred the momentum. Without the football success
hokiepro • 08/11/25 04:49 PM ET
Sunk cost. That's in the past. What matters is impact to the future
HokieAl • 08/11/25 04:57 PM ET
Agree to disagree **
hokiepro • 08/11/25 05:26 PM ET
Could our football program's performance in recent years be the cause?**
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 04:54 AM ET
Cause of what? **
Stork • 08/11/25 11:37 AM ET
Decrease in donations...
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 11:44 AM ET
Just the opposite
1947Sunbowl • 08/11/25 12:14 PM ET
In fairness, kind of a chicken/egg thing.**
saret • 08/11/25 12:17 PM ET
What was? Fuente called out the deficiencies
hokiepro • 08/11/25 04:47 PM ET
Him being right about $$$ begs the question of his ability to coach.
Riverguy • 08/11/25 09:24 PM ET
Winning percentage is higher than the guy that we have now....**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 07:54 PM ET
All the more reason VT may have been foolish for having tunnel vision for
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:58 PM ET
I’m sure it hasn’t helped. **
Stork • 08/11/25 11:51 AM ET
Classic message board post.**
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:19 AM ET
If it is then we will never be able rise even to the top of the little p2
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:12 AM ET
How about having a program with LBs who know where to go after...
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 07:59 AM ET
To use a football metaphor...this is called "moving the goalposts"**
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:20 AM ET
I guess having players lost on the field is a moving goalpost.**
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 09:59 AM ET
No, but changing the topic when your horse is dead is**
marcbvtgm • 08/12/25 04:05 PM ET
Well perception of wash st and oregon st has crashed
1947Sunbowl • 08/11/25 07:37 AM ET
The "__ Tech" and "___ State" schools are at a disadvantage it seems...
VT757to276 • 08/11/25 09:44 AM ET
man... this is good! thx--------->**
bourbonstreet • 08/11/25 12:58 AM ET
Really looks like the argument being made is for the BOV to accept the VTAD
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 11:04 PM ET
There are enough instances, TCU recently, 90's VT, Clemson resurgence...
HokieKick`nBack • 08/11/25 01:00 PM ET
Should have been a private equity presentation.
HokieKick`nBack • 08/11/25 12:54 PM ET
I would suggest the Saudi PIC fund but the dude in charge is a WVU grad
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 08:18 PM ET
Agree. If it's this bad in the ACC, we're at least double that amount in
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 09:03 AM ET
So vast it is a fools errand to chase "national" standing
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:18 AM ET
The exposure slides were bad
HokieAl • 08/10/25 11:18 PM ET
Is there a strong argument other than college football fanaticism?
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:22 AM ET
There is no argument, now. VT had a window of opportunity in the early 200s
NokieHokie • 08/11/25 09:19 AM ET
We've proved this over and over again with the Hokie Club charts themselves
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 12:26 PM ET
It wasn't just the leaders that got complacent...**
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:23 AM ET
I'd like to know HOW revenue got so low compared to other ACC schools**
hokeyhokie • 08/10/25 08:53 PM ET
"Gradually, then suddenly..."
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:30 AM ET
This is on the BOV Not the athletic department
1947Sunbowl • 08/11/25 09:51 AM ET
You do realize that the athletic department could have informed the BOV of
NokieHokie • 08/11/25 10:04 AM ET
We HAVE to raise student athletic fees. No other choice
hokiepro • 08/10/25 06:08 PM ET
this is a joke, right? **
ModerateHokie • 08/11/25 11:56 AM ET
No…but I didn’t clarify
hokiepro • 08/11/25 12:00 PM ET
I don't think it's right to mandate such a fee for students there for an
ModerateHokie • 08/11/25 03:57 PM ET
Give me a break, until this year we charged more for parking.
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 04:42 PM ET
Good luck with attracting recent grads into the Hokie Club**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 08:14 PM ET
Agreed. Don't go to the game. Fees should target users...
ModerateHokie • 08/12/25 11:16 AM ET
Correct**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 08:15 PM ET
If you don’t want to pay for football don’t go to college? How messed up
ModerateHokie • 08/11/25 10:17 PM ET
Some students will never attend a VT athletic event or even follow VT
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 05:01 PM ET
Maybe…but should our students pay by FAR the least of any school in VA?
hokiepro • 08/11/25 04:12 PM ET
pro, now that's a valid question. I've always been told
saret • 08/11/25 04:35 PM ET
You are right it is one piece of the puzzle. Does the leadership know how
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:15 PM ET
Quit turning down qualified kids of alums…you turn off the spigot of $$$$$**
Fore_Hokies • 08/11/25 07:31 AM ET
Agreed **
hokiepro • 08/11/25 11:57 AM ET
42.0% of incoming freshmen take out loans to cover their first-year costs
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:01 PM ET
So, there are two sides to this coin IMO
BuffaloTraceHokie • 08/11/25 12:58 PM ET
JMU is still a few thousand dollars per year cheaper than VT
hucareshokiesrul • 08/11/25 02:57 PM ET
A few numbers...
BuffaloTraceHokie • 08/11/25 08:22 PM ET
I don't disagree. But remember, the state legislature
saret • 08/11/25 01:03 PM ET
The GA will not be an issue imo
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 01:06 PM ET
Only if VT and the other universities show they are making a sincere effort
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 01:12 PM ET
Your a WHOLE LOT more optimistic about politicians
saret • 08/11/25 01:11 PM ET
Where does that data come from?
Pylons • 08/11/25 12:21 PM ET
Well said, AH96. And there is the conundrum. Poor leadership,
saret • 08/11/25 09:50 AM ET
The Commonwealth of VA legislators need to help all state universities as
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 12:30 PM ET
Yes it would, such as in-state rates for out of state
saret • 08/11/25 12:46 PM ET
Bingo tip of cap to @NokieHokie**
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 03:55 PM ET
The only potential bright spot with the presentation is laying out the
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:03 PM ET
Well said. If you accept my premise that "Upper management
saret • 08/11/25 12:28 PM ET
At this point, actions speak louder than words. If the BOV doesn't think
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:52 PM ET
👆👆👆👆👊👊👆👆👆👆 BOOM POW!! Tell us the need, where it's going, what
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 04:01 PM ET
Agreed. As many people say, pay attention to what they
saret • 08/11/25 12:58 PM ET
IMHO, this is the beginning of Whit's swan song. He's prepping the egress
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 04:10 PM ET
Not quite 15 years, but if he’s here until June 2029 it will be 15.5……**
RJHokie • 08/11/25 06:06 PM ET
Does your post assume that VT's next AD isn't another version of Babcock?
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 04:47 PM ET
Yah, my assumption would be NOT another WB as AD. But you may be on to
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 05:08 PM ET
Bigger thrust make Athletics one main investmetn tenets of the university
1947Sunbowl • 08/10/25 08:54 PM ET
We do. But it also sucks
HokieAl • 08/10/25 08:22 PM ET
Yep. Screw that. If the players want to be played, they need to earn it.
MP4VT2004 • 08/11/25 11:02 AM ET
Students paying athlete's salaries is absurd. How can that be a solution?**
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:32 AM ET
Not the only one…just a small part
hokiepro • 08/11/25 11:54 AM ET
This is the same leadership that brought us to the precipice.
saret • 08/11/25 09:59 AM ET
Ticket prices seat premiums, and talent fees will DEFINITELY come. Heck, UT
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 04:15 PM ET
It is crappy. It will further alienate graduates. **
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:02 PM ET
My guess is they'll copy UTenn, and add a talent fee to tickets.**
saret • 08/10/25 09:52 PM ET
They just raised those fees. And, the state limits those raises
saret • 08/10/25 06:32 PM ET
First the university needs to define the goal of VT athletics. Probably by
40ozDistrict • 08/10/25 06:26 PM ET
OK Its simple big time or not and accept damages
1947Sunbowl • 08/10/25 08:40 PM ET
We aren't big time now. Where are the damages?**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:04 PM ET
Potential future damages as a byproduct of any decision made by VT.
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 02:37 PM ET
I think that’s sorta the point of the presentation **
hokiepro • 08/10/25 07:35 PM ET
Agreed. He lays it out right at the start. **
Stork • 08/11/25 11:39 AM ET
Of course. My response was about raising student fees.**
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:48 AM ET
They need to define what sports in which they realistically
RJHokie • 08/10/25 06:52 PM ET
That sounds like what VT has historically done.
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:25 AM ET
Good point CALS. But, who is currently on staff who is capable
saret • 08/11/25 10:07 AM ET
Sorry but the "procrastination" comment is not based in fact
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 01:00 PM ET
CALS, that's a smoke screen, and you know it. Posters have
saret • 08/11/25 01:10 PM ET
The smokescreen is thinking that the posters know more than the AD
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 01:14 PM ET
Some of the AD deficiencies have been quite obvious over the years.
RJHokie • 08/11/25 02:32 PM ET
Exactly. **
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:12 AM ET
Trying to do those things is like stopping a full-speed
saret • 08/10/25 07:08 PM ET
For sure and the presentation to the BOV is because just about every other
HoustonHokie • 08/10/25 08:03 PM ET
That’s what happens when the athletic director isn’t a visionary
RJHokie • 08/10/25 08:08 PM ET
It's the VT culture not this AD or any other AD. It is VT.**
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:18 AM ET
I am not holding my breath WRT Whit's presentation tomorrow.
Atlee Hokie • 08/10/25 10:23 PM ET
Actually, the presentation is the 18th, not today.**
saret • 08/11/25 10:09 AM ET
.What ever day. I don't expect anything that will rock my world.**
Atlee Hokie • 08/11/25 12:03 PM ET
Me neither. **
saret • 08/11/25 12:30 PM ET
A yawn and a group to write a paper about the presentation. **
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:21 AM ET
I think it's next Tuesday...the 18th. **
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 11:09 PM ET
Next Monday is the 18th.**
RJHokie • 08/11/25 12:25 PM ET
Yep, it won’t be a quick turnaround for sure.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 07:16 PM ET
Agreed.**
saret • 08/10/25 08:02 PM ET
My disdain for.......
2hhoop3 • 08/10/25 07:27 PM ET
Your last sentence is very true.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 07:40 PM ET
That already exists...
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:08 PM ET
I believe most or perhaps all of VT’s sports have endowed scholarships.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 10:17 PM ET
No, donations are not enough to fully fund non revenues
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:20 PM ET
I’m aware that all those revenue sources are taken into consideration
RJHokie • 08/10/25 10:41 PM ET
Or what?
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 11:08 PM ET
Yes, if the minimum number of sports is maintained without the sport and
RJHokie • 08/11/25 12:29 PM ET
Min number is 16 for FBS.
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 10:24 AM ET
hi, that is certainly one solution. I'll let you field your own incoming
saret • 08/11/25 12:16 PM ET
If football fails, non-rev wont exist at the same level, back to the A-10
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 12:33 PM ET
hi, hope you don't think I was/am disagreeing with you.
saret • 08/11/25 12:53 PM ET
Plus it would be plain stupid to cut 2 of the hottest non-rev sports in the
91HokieBob • 08/12/25 04:13 PM ET
I think both of those sports are safe I think both of those sports are safe
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 03:07 PM ET
Again, I agree on those two sports. Other non-revs,
saret • 08/11/25 03:23 PM ET
AH96, you answered your own question. Cut sports.
saret • 08/11/25 10:12 AM ET
and tbh they need to be. We aren't competitive enough in them so why fund ◄
Brewing_Hokie • 08/11/25 10:29 AM ET
The Primary, Essential component for a successful college athletic program
HokieHi • 08/10/25 05:00 PM ET
So what is the rationale behind this presentation?
Sunsetunderground • 08/10/25 04:57 PM ET
Some at the meeting prefer to see an emphasis on baseball.**
KCHokie2 • 08/10/25 08:27 PM ET
Its part of a holistic strategic planning session with the BOV
1947Sunbowl • 08/10/25 05:23 PM ET
Good description of the matter.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 05:43 PM ET
Its being discussed on reddit too**
HokieJamie • 08/10/25 04:34 PM ET
Here is the link**
HokieAl • 08/10/25 07:43 PM ET