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There's plenty of amenities at VT that I never used

It's not like I could pick and choose which costs were important to me and which ones weren't. Maybe I would've been fine eating slop for having a lower meal plan cost, but slop wasn't an option, having a quality dining experience was just part of the Virginia Tech package. Things that I paid for that I never used or cared about didn't affect me directly, but they did affect someone else's experience, and the student community as a whole was enhanced because of this. There's no way I would feel the same affinity for Virginia Tech if I had lived a much more atomized life there, where the only thing I have in common with someone else is geographic proximity to them. People on this board have argued for years that athletics is inseparable from the success of the university as a whole, that the university would be smaller, lower enrollment, less prestigious, etc., if not for the prowess of sports and especially football in the 90s and 00s. If this is true, if it's to be believed, there's no way around it, it's either part of the Virginia Tech experience, or it's not. Babcock's greater point to the BOV is that the landscape is shifting such that it's forcibly shunting everyone who is only half-committed to athletics into the "not part of the experience" group, the group where sports are so insignificant that they provide no meaningful benefit to the university or its community. And that's the worst spot to be in really, it costs the most money and produces the least results. If the the board doesn't care about the results, great, let's just scrap sports entirely, they'll save at least $100,000,000 per year that they spend on academics instead. I mean look, if you're a prospective student, the only time to decide which factors are important to you and which aren't is at that selection time. If you want an engineering degree but you don't care at all about sports, there's 21 schools in the state that are ABET-accredited in at least 1 program, like a half dozen of those schools have multiple accredited programs. At the undergrad level, you will get as good of an education at any of these programs, you will come away just as smart if you went to VT or UVA or JMU or CNU. It might make a difference in terms of networking effects later which particular school you went to, but, what's a big factor in the strength of that alumni network? The affinity and camaraderie that was developed by having a strong student community, where there was something for everyone, even if it meant that you were helping subsidize someone else's experience.
Posted: 08/20/2025 at 06:17 PM ET
(In response to this post by Gobbler Guru)

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Student Fees
VTpartimer 08/19/25 10:06 PM ET
partner, I think you're right. This has been talked about on here before.
saret 08/21/25 12:14 PM ET
He doesn't have a lot of options
hucareshokiesrul 08/20/25 03:57 PM ET
At VT, approximately 39% of undergrad students use federal student loans
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 05:08 PM ET
Yes...students paying other students.... wonderful way to be "big time"**
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 12:27 PM ET
Why do people think is aghast. VT is the last holdout
1947Sunbowl 08/19/25 11:04 PM ET
"Everyone else is doing it"
Gobbler Guru 08/20/25 01:40 PM ET
There's plenty of amenities at VT that I never used
Synaesthesia 08/20/25 06:17 PM ET
Were they entertainment options?
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 06:50 PM ET
Thoughtful read..........
2hhoop3 08/20/25 06:36 PM ET
I think sports, broadly, are valuable. Football's value is the real problem
Synaesthesia 08/20/25 08:18 PM ET
If VT alumni cared a lot about football, we wouldn't have such poor donor
AirborneHokie96 08/21/25 01:31 PM ET
Nah, that's letting the Hokie Club and Athletic Directors off the hook for
NokieHokie 08/21/25 01:34 PM ET
You're basically.......
2hhoop3 08/20/25 08:32 PM ET
I would be ok with a Duke**
AirborneHokie96 08/21/25 01:31 PM ET
Sports shouldn't be scrapped but burning money shouldn't be the only option
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 06:52 PM ET
AH96, you're right. There are a multitude of things that should be
saret 08/20/25 07:05 PM ET
Where is the MTSU article??
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 07:10 PM ET
Here is as link to one that is not behind a pay wall.**
saret 08/21/25 12:26 PM ET
Smart on their part
AirborneHokie96 08/21/25 01:25 PM ET
MTSU is doing, imo, the best it can, in a variety of ways
saret 08/21/25 01:51 PM ET
I do not disagree......
2hhoop3 08/20/25 07:05 PM ET
Something tells me no matter what happens there will be complainers here.
marcbvtgm 08/20/25 04:22 PM ET
It's a true tax on students...many are paying for school with student loans
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 02:21 PM ET
It's just putting bubble gum into the holes in the dam....
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 12:29 PM ET
I agree that at this point we are a "have not." It didn't need to be that
Pride_and_Joy 08/20/25 01:40 PM ET
We are 10 years late in everything
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 02:18 PM ET
The problem is that only 25% of the rev sharing
Pride_and_Joy 08/20/25 05:24 PM ET
But increased football spending at VT will not change things...
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 05:34 PM ET
Ahh yes, the paradoxical conundrum that plays out here
saret 08/21/25 12:40 PM ET
the "industry"? I say fade out. It is absolutely obnoxious to tie higher ed
ModerateHokie 08/20/25 10:29 AM ET
Agree
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 12:31 PM ET
And that ain’t bad.
VPI 1924 08/20/25 01:22 PM ET
If you drop football, how do you pay for all the non-rev sports?**
Pride_and_Joy 08/20/25 05:32 PM ET
Last holdout in the commonwealth
CMU Hokie 08/20/25 07:25 AM ET
There are a number of compounding factors at play here...
BuffaloTraceHokie 08/20/25 08:45 AM ET
If the fans want it, they need to pay for it**
AirborneHokie96 08/20/25 05:09 PM ET