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Beamer's own success did, in more ways than one
- He reached a plateau of performing at such a high level every year, that it was too easy for everyone to convince themselves all they needed was just 1 or 2 more breaks. Look at how many VT fans still truly believe if they had beaten BC in the rain in 2007 that they would've gone to the national title game that year, for instance. This in turn made everyone sclerotic, afraid of change for fearing of breaking something and ruining a good thing, they knew how hard it was to get to that height in the first place, and how much potential downside was underneath them, so why take the risk? If we just get 1 more stop on defense, 1 more first down on offense, etc.
- The increased visibility of the program, and the changing world around them. This point is made most evident by Marcus Vick's career arc. When VT was an up-and-comer, not only was there less media attention being paid to them, but the internet was still in its infancy. It was much, much easier to take a risk on a "discipline issues" kind of player because programs had an easier time minimizing it, or outright covering it up, when a player did something bad. But, by the mid 2000s, both of these had changed, now VT is seen as a premiere football program with all that commensurate attention, but also now the internet exists, everyone's on it, everyone has a cell phone that at least sends texts, information travels laterally at breakneck speed and now coaches can't just call up a bar owner and tell him to shut up and expect that to be the end of the story. Beamer eventually saw (probably through the "help" of Steger) that he couldn't risk the reputational image of the university as a whole by having players on the team who couldn't at least follow the bare minimum of rules. So, those kinds of players stopped being recruited, and fans start wondering hey how come VT football no longer plays with a vicious attitude? (Side note to this, going along with the changing world thing, many of the types of hits VT defense used to coach simply became illegal, so you need to recruit players who you will be able to coach into hitting in a very specific way that won't get you penalized.)
You can even look to special teams for a microcosm of the 'success -> risk aversion' pipeline. VT did have some starters still on special teams in later years, but it wasn't like special teams was composed entirely of starters. Why? The same reason as everyone else, it's too risky. When Beamer and VT were down in the dumps and had nothing to lose, who cares if you lose a starter trying to block a punt? We might lose the game anyway even if we do block it. But if you're winning 11 games a year, instead of 4, all of a sudden the risk of that starter being injured looms larger.
To draw an analogy, VT football under Beamer was like someone on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, who has already won $500,000 and is facing the $1,000,000 question, and they don't know the right answer for sure, they have a decent idea, but they'd have to take a risk to answer the question. Get it right, you win the top prize, $1M is yours. But, you get it wrong, and you fall all the way down from 500k to 32k. It's easy now, in retrospect, for people to appreciate just how far it was possible for VT football to fall. It's easy to understand why they would become risk averse when they did, I probably would've done the exact same thing in their position. But, even if it was the "right" decision to make, it did end up becoming a significant factor in the overall fall of the program.
Thread Replies (68)
What changed the VT Football Personality?
-- HokiePetcu
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:03 PM ET
HokiePetcu
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09/25/24 01:03 PM ET
It started with eliminating “stick it in” chant
-- Screenwriter
Sep 25, 2024 at 09:52 PM ET
Screenwriter
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09/25/24 09:52 PM ET
When did VT stop selling The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly type shirts?
-- VTHokie2000
Sep 25, 2024 at 10:26 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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09/25/24 10:26 PM ET
All Charmin Conference is infectious. Twiilght Frank then Fu'Fu'.
-- bourbonstreet
Sep 25, 2024 at 08:43 PM ET
bourbonstreet
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09/25/24 08:43 PM ET
We were a different school with a different mentality, culture, attitude,
-- Tombo
Sep 25, 2024 at 08:30 PM ET
Tombo
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09/25/24 08:30 PM ET
Say what u want about Jim Weaver, he was instrumental in our ACC addition…
-- ombandit
Sep 25, 2024 at 06:46 PM ET
ombandit
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09/25/24 06:46 PM ET
Don’t agree with the intimidation description.
-- RJHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 07:18 PM ET
RJHokie
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09/25/24 07:18 PM ET
Convenient. But not particularly accurate.**
-- marcbvtgm
Sep 26, 2024 at 03:53 PM ET
marcbvtgm
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09/26/24 03:53 PM ET
^---- This!!**
-- OldRetiredHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 05:46 PM ET
OldRetiredHokie
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09/25/24 05:46 PM ET
But some said and still say he was better for VT than insiders**
-- VTCALS72
Sep 25, 2024 at 06:01 PM ET
VTCALS72
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09/25/24 06:01 PM ET
How far behind is the program on facilities?
-- One4VT
Sep 25, 2024 at 03:15 PM ET
One4VT
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09/25/24 03:15 PM ET
It's not 2015 anymore. Facilities will be mostly a non-issue in NIL era.
-- marcbvtgm
Sep 26, 2024 at 03:55 PM ET
marcbvtgm
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09/26/24 03:55 PM ET
The nicest I've seen is Clemson's facilities
-- 99VT
Sep 26, 2024 at 09:37 AM ET
99VT
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09/26/24 09:37 AM ET
Assuming that's true, facilities shouldn't be holding this program back...
-- One4VT
Sep 26, 2024 at 09:55 AM ET
One4VT
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09/26/24 09:55 AM ET
No, that's not holding them back IMO.**
-- 99VT
Sep 26, 2024 at 10:30 AM ET
99VT
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09/26/24 10:30 AM ET
We are a Kettle Corn school and Whit is a Popcorn guy**
-- bigbadbird
Sep 25, 2024 at 03:06 PM ET
bigbadbird
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09/25/24 03:06 PM ET
What you say about Foster is true
-- crazylane
Sep 25, 2024 at 05:32 PM ET
crazylane
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09/25/24 05:32 PM ET
Beamer's own success did, in more ways than one
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-- Synaesthesia
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:48 PM ET
Synaesthesia
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09/25/24 02:48 PM ET
Beamer stayed 3 years too long, we missed on Fu and were late on facilities
-- hokieinoregon
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:25 PM ET
hokieinoregon
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09/25/24 02:25 PM ET
About as succinct and true as you can be**
-- Happy Dog
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:47 PM ET
Happy Dog
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09/25/24 02:47 PM ET
Beamer stayed because Weaver stayed.
-- RJHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:30 PM ET
RJHokie
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09/25/24 02:30 PM ET
If you believe that was VT's "window of opportunity" to carpe diem and
-- VTHokie2000
Sep 25, 2024 at 07:33 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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09/25/24 07:33 PM ET
Steger should have retired Weaver when it became obvious
-- RJHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 07:59 PM ET
RJHokie
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09/25/24 07:59 PM ET
Isn't that what a BOV is for? Someone should have been minding the ship...**
-- NokieHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 08:53 PM ET
NokieHokie
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09/25/24 08:53 PM ET
Some of those folks likely don’t know the score either.
-- RJHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 09:01 PM ET
RJHokie
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09/25/24 09:01 PM ET
It wouldn't surprise me if the BOV thought April 16th was the bigger (and
-- VTHokie2000
Sep 25, 2024 at 08:59 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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09/25/24 08:59 PM ET
Lack of two Hall of Fame coaches in the program at the same time? **
-- BG Hokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:12 PM ET
BG Hokie
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09/25/24 02:12 PM ET
Step 1 - moving to the ACC, the Charmin of conferences
-- VT ChemE 1986
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:09 PM ET
VT ChemE 1986
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09/25/24 02:09 PM ET
Lots of spelling mistakes there, DMercuryVGobbler. Lots of factual errors
-- NokieHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:55 PM ET
NokieHokie
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09/25/24 02:55 PM ET
Suffering from "crippling authoritus"
-- dj97223
Sep 25, 2024 at 06:50 PM ET
dj97223
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09/25/24 06:50 PM ET
Agree 100%. And VT is one of the lowest spenders in ACC for athletics **
-- HokieAl
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:02 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/25/24 02:02 PM ET
Well it's impossible to know what the private schools are spending. So...
-- HokieAl
Sep 25, 2024 at 05:10 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/25/24 05:10 PM ET
It was everything and everyone. We got comfortable and relaxed
-- HokieAl
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:49 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/25/24 01:49 PM ET
I wasn't blinded. I had been shouting from the rooftops. Oh well...**
-- NokieHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:55 PM ET
NokieHokie
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09/25/24 02:55 PM ET
Turkey Bacon but no sugar cookies **
-- bigbadbird
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:54 PM ET
bigbadbird
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09/25/24 01:54 PM ET
Missing out on Tutzler hurt….a lot**
-- Riverguy
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:49 PM ET
Riverguy
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09/25/24 01:49 PM ET
If it wasn't for that visa issue over those videotapes**
-- One4VT
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:45 PM ET
One4VT
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09/25/24 02:45 PM ET
Curse of Stadium Woods**
-- bigbadbird
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:39 PM ET
bigbadbird
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09/25/24 01:39 PM ET
Whit, and his reactive hiring.
-- Gobbler Guru
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:36 PM ET
Gobbler Guru
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09/25/24 01:36 PM ET
We had a chip on our shoulder in Big East
-- Hokie12thman
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:28 PM ET
Hokie12thman
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09/25/24 01:28 PM ET
It has been all downhill since we stopped the "Stick It In" chant
-- XundaVT
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:18 PM ET
XundaVT
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09/25/24 01:18 PM ET
How did you come up with the 1st two questions?
-- VTCALS72
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:18 PM ET
VTCALS72
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09/25/24 01:18 PM ET
When do you think we tailed off in the ACC?
-- VTCALS72
Sep 25, 2024 at 03:31 PM ET
VTCALS72
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09/25/24 03:31 PM ET
We benefited from Clemson and FSU being terrible. Then they got good again.**
-- NokieHokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:59 PM ET
NokieHokie
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09/25/24 02:59 PM ET
Beamer got old and had health issues
-- CMU Hokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:11 PM ET
CMU Hokie
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09/25/24 01:11 PM ET
Beamer and Foster gone...that's when**
-- MDHokie79
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:07 PM ET
MDHokie79
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09/25/24 01:07 PM ET
We no longer "Turn Up the Wick..."**
-- banishedtothelounge
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:59 PM ET
banishedtothelounge
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09/25/24 01:59 PM ET
It's more like "Turn off the lights, the party's over."**
-- EDGEMAN
Sep 25, 2024 at 03:25 PM ET
EDGEMAN
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09/25/24 03:25 PM ET
True - and who made the hiring decisions from that point forward?**
-- HokiePetcu
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:09 PM ET
HokiePetcu
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09/25/24 01:09 PM ET
What does that have to do with it?
-- VTCALS72
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:24 PM ET
VTCALS72
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09/25/24 01:24 PM ET
The leadership has everything to do with it
-- HokiePetcu
Sep 25, 2024 at 02:02 PM ET
HokiePetcu
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09/25/24 02:02 PM ET
the standard we have landed us in turmoil anyway
-- JerseyHokie84
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:42 PM ET
JerseyHokie84
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09/25/24 01:42 PM ET
True enough, point well taken!**
-- MDHokie79
Sep 25, 2024 at 01:12 PM ET
MDHokie79
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09/25/24 01:12 PM ET