Your first three paragraphs......
seem to arrive at the same place and my points. Athleticism is a great advantage and can win you a lot of games. However, in a tournament environment equally talented athletes maybe with more skill are likely one type opponent and slightly less athletic but, highly skilled and well coached are another possibility. In tightly contested tourney games athleticism MAY, not always, have less impact than skills and coaching.
Your last paragraph is the conundrum and the goal still in search of an answer. I am not sure what the best solution is but, my belief is the NET, a team sorting tool is not the answer. The efficiency ratings do not necessarily take into account how teams play early season OOC games. A team with a set line up may bust out of the gate, garner a high net and that results in a further self fulfilling prophecy for conference play. Another may be searching for rotations and combinations, have players out due to injury and just scrape by or even lose and garner a lower net that further exacerbates itself with a negative impact for conference play. The long and short of it is the money guys pulling the strings like that the data and metrics afford them flexibility in spinning their desired narrative. All is well until the narrative collapses under the actual results of on court play say otherwise and fans become increasingly jaded and cynical when the system tells them one thing and their eyes tell them something else.
The ACC is not exempt in this either. Take UVA this year. I doubt at year end many thought they were better than Pitt. They likely got the bid due to the "green jacket" effect of their natty. A deeper dive says other than the natty year they have been an early exit, including UMBC, and then you get into questions of style of play fitting the tourney. The system wins them a lot of regular season games and gets them to the tourney but, it may not be best suited for long term sustainable performance in the tourney. Just to be clear, I think Tony Bennett is a great coach and seems like an even better guy. His natty team had great players with DeAndre Hunter, Ty Jerome, Kyle Guy, et.al. That being said, UVA has largely punched above their weight due to system rather than talent, excluding that one special year.
I think there are things that can be considered and done. However, until the football landscape is settled it would be a waste of time. Worse is if the SEC and B1G ultimately ends up running things, at least that is my opinion.
Thread Replies (72)
The very down ACC is 15-6 in the last 2 NCAA Tournaments...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 02:10 AM ET
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03/25/24 02:10 AM ET
ACC was #5 in NCAAT payouts through last year**
-- TabbHokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 02:22 PM ET
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03/25/24 02:22 PM ET
The benefit of having larger # of teams make the tournament...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 03:39 PM ET
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03/25/24 03:39 PM ET
The rich get richer. **
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 06:10 PM ET
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03/25/24 06:10 PM ET
Wasn’t the pre-conference OOC record pretty bad?
-- Squatro
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:42 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:42 AM ET
I don't know that the ACC was 'bad' at all. The right number of teams
-- reestuart
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:26 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:26 PM ET
Some people want to ignore resumes
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:31 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:31 PM ET
What if it has nothing to do......
-- 2hhoop3
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:03 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:03 PM ET
Sure. That’s fair.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 02:31 PM ET
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03/25/24 02:31 PM ET
I agree. What do you think is causing
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 02:54 PM ET
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03/25/24 02:54 PM ET
Seems like a good analysis .
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:03 PM ET
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03/25/24 04:03 PM ET
Your first three paragraphs......
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-- 2hhoop3
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:39 PM ET
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03/25/24 04:39 PM ET
Interesting point about the
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:48 PM ET
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03/25/24 04:48 PM ET
first and foremost the NCAA will keep alot of money flowing to the
-- HburgHokie5
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:32 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:32 PM ET
Pretty bad compared to what?**
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:00 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:00 PM ET
Every year the ACC is "down." Every year the ACC somehow shows up in March.**
-- vtfanuvalaw
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:32 AM ET
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03/25/24 10:32 AM ET
So what’s the problem?**
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:36 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:36 PM ET
And every year that we get shorted on teams in the tournament...
-- EDGEMAN
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:47 AM ET
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03/25/24 10:47 AM ET
I don't think the ACC got shorted. Maybe sub Pitt for UVa, but the right
-- reestuart
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM ET
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03/25/24 10:53 AM ET
I agree with this, Pitt is the only debatable ACC team that was out there..
-- Cvillehoops13
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:28 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:28 PM ET
No question UVA was probably not a viable tournament team, and...
-- EDGEMAN
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:58 AM ET
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03/25/24 10:58 AM ET
I'd rather all conferences get capped at something like 5 or 6. Bring in
-- reestuart
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:18 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:18 AM ET
Increase the tournament to 96
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:44 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:44 AM ET
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How crazy would it be to rank teams 1-256 at the end of the tournament
-- VT One
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:39 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:39 PM ET
What is the purpose of expanding the field?
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:42 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:42 PM ET
If I held any hope you were capable of understanding I would attempt...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:43 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:43 PM ET
I’m genuinely interested.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:47 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:47 PM ET
Like, is it a fairness issue?
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:49 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:49 PM ET
We need more Canyon State and Stetsons for GC . Oh and sadly, Tech**
-- JackDSML
Mar 25, 2024 at 02:04 PM ET
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03/25/24 02:04 PM ET
That is not who would be making the tournament in my scenario...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 26, 2024 at 12:16 PM ET
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03/26/24 12:16 PM ET
FWIW there are only 32 DI basketball conferences. If every conference
-- VTHokie2000
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:14 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:14 PM ET
Not sure what you mean by #13 thru #16
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:23 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:23 PM ET
Based on how the tournament incorporates the first four now, it is unlikely
-- VTHokie2000
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:27 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:27 PM ET
It wouldn't work like the First Four...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:31 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:31 PM ET
I believe there have been a couple articles written talking about the
-- VTHokie2000
Mar 26, 2024 at 05:08 PM ET
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03/26/24 05:08 PM ET
Just do a full round robin
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:47 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:47 AM ET
You should try and reply to the correct post
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:42 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:42 PM ET
Why so combative? Honestly.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:44 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:44 PM ET
He's like the D2 player that shows up at the YMCA
-- WildTurkE
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:55 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:55 PM ET
Nope...just swatting flies**
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 12:46 PM ET
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03/25/24 12:46 PM ET
My scenario wouldn't increase the tournament by a single day...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:56 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:56 AM ET
Sounds fun. Wish we could play in it.**
-- WildTurkE
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:17 AM ET
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03/25/24 10:17 AM ET
It’s funny how conference pride becomes a thing
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:48 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:48 AM ET
To be honest, it only seemed like the Big XII was hyped this year.
-- reestuart
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:51 AM ET
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03/25/24 09:51 AM ET
Totally agree. The Big East is a great bball conference **
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:49 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:49 AM ET
Maybe it’s nostalgia, but I really like Big East bball. Not that they
-- reestuart
Mar 25, 2024 at 01:03 PM ET
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03/25/24 01:03 PM ET
For sure. UConn, Villanova, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier, Butler,
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 02:10 PM ET
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03/25/24 02:10 PM ET
isn't it amazing; we don't get that message from ESPN/CBS
-- DMV Gobbler
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:50 AM ET
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03/25/24 09:50 AM ET
Of note, 9 of the top 25 schools for the fall Leerfield Cup (all sports
-- Hacker
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:24 AM ET
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03/25/24 09:24 AM ET
Duke and Carolina are phenomenal!**
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 08:56 AM ET
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03/25/24 08:56 AM ET
UNC was especially phenomenal in last years tournament...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:30 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:30 AM ET
They are historically great.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:34 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:34 AM ET
The post specifically stated the record for the last 2 seasons...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:38 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:38 AM ET
Doesn’t hurt at all.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:43 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:43 AM ET
You're continually trying to downplay something you swear doesn't hurt you
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:53 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:53 AM ET
Rooting for all ACC teams to show that we are still strong. Cheering for
-- JRHokie73
Mar 25, 2024 at 08:40 AM ET
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03/25/24 08:40 AM ET
Until they leave the conference without us**
-- TboneParkerVT
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:55 PM ET
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03/25/24 11:55 PM ET
At this point, I’m pulling for Clemson or NC State to shock the world **
-- Zanderhokie
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:09 AM ET
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03/25/24 09:09 AM ET
Brad Brownell isn't doing bad...
-- GCHokie34
Mar 25, 2024 at 11:25 AM ET
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03/25/24 11:25 AM ET
I'd love to have a player like Schieffelin. **
-- HokieEngineer
Mar 25, 2024 at 04:51 PM ET
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03/25/24 04:51 PM ET
Clemson is hard to watch. Their guards were making turnovers at
-- WildTurkE
Mar 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM ET
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03/25/24 10:38 AM ET
I want NCSU and the big dude to keep winning.**
-- reestuart
Mar 25, 2024 at 09:29 AM ET
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03/25/24 09:29 AM ET
Wasn’t the ACC 14-5 the year prior to that? (2022?)**
-- hokieZ71
Mar 25, 2024 at 07:43 AM ET
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