Oh I agree with you, I don't like it especially since its a big narrative
shifter throughout the season. Now more than ever with the roster overhaul across the board, i think preseason expectations/data should be minimal if not removed even for "Power Ratings" that account for a teams talent/player rating. Because everyone is playing in a different lineup, scheme, surrounding players etc. season by season. The carry-over is almost non-existent.
I think CBB as a whole has gotten a little too infatuated with the metrics as it pertains to evaluating teams or conferences. It's imperative to a degree, & sure it was groundbreaking 10-15 yrs ago & much better than just using RPI, but now the metrics are almost treated like the bible.
Regarding KenPom, by late Feb or March his ratings are usually pretty spot on, but I'm with you I dont think he makes any effort to make adjustments or corrections throughout the season like Barttorvik or EvanMiya attempt to do. Which is odd because KenPom is actually metric on the NCAA Tourny Team Sheet, I even think a low-major conference used his rankings to determine their conf tourny seeding a few years back. I get he was the pioneer of all this, but sometimes I get the sense he feels no need to adapt or evolve his rankings & truly believes there's nothing wrong with his formula what so ever.
Sorry that was a bit of a rant but I follow the metrics sites daily & can see the flaws you're alluding to.
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I made a serious tactical error this morning and looked at Lunardi's
-- CobbCountyHokie
Nov 11, 2025 at 11:39 AM ET
CobbCountyHokie
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11/11/25 11:39 AM ET
The only time I pay any attention to Lunardi is never. **
-- RJHokie
Nov 11, 2025 at 03:39 PM ET
RJHokie
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11/11/25 03:39 PM ET
We never start any higher than Lunardi’s bubble if we
-- NC Hoke
Nov 11, 2025 at 03:17 PM ET
NC Hoke
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11/11/25 03:17 PM ET
You have to consider this Providence team ....
-- hokietony
Nov 11, 2025 at 12:02 PM ET
hokietony
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11/11/25 12:02 PM ET
you also have to consider that joe lunardis predictions are garbage until
-- Hokiehotdog
Nov 11, 2025 at 01:22 PM ET
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11/11/25 01:22 PM ET
And after that almost anybody could predict as well as him.**
-- marcbvtgm
Nov 11, 2025 at 02:32 PM ET
marcbvtgm
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11/11/25 02:32 PM ET
I'm pretty sure they upgraded their roster through the portal.**
-- EDGEMAN
Nov 11, 2025 at 12:31 PM ET
EDGEMAN
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11/11/25 12:31 PM ET
Are there many teams that didn't?**
-- hokiehill1117
Nov 11, 2025 at 12:52 PM ET
hokiehill1117
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11/11/25 12:52 PM ET
Well, it is a zero sum game, so some rosters will have to be worse
-- marcbvtgm
Nov 11, 2025 at 02:33 PM ET
marcbvtgm
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11/11/25 02:33 PM ET
We are only #67 on Kenpom, so his current bracketology is correct
-- VT ChemE 1986
Nov 11, 2025 at 11:57 AM ET
VT ChemE 1986
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11/11/25 11:57 AM ET
Any computer rankings before the first 10 games of the season are useless
-- GCHokie34
Nov 11, 2025 at 02:56 PM ET
GCHokie34
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11/11/25 02:56 PM ET
KenPom has said he factors in preseason data for the ranking until late Jan
-- VickFlick_Skip
Nov 12, 2025 at 01:18 PM ET
VickFlick_Skip
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11/12/25 01:18 PM ET
Just curious - what preseason data does he use? Where would it come from?**
-- vtbball80
Nov 12, 2025 at 06:54 PM ET
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11/12/25 06:54 PM ET
Oh I agree with you, I don't like it especially since its a big narrative
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-- VickFlick_Skip
Nov 12, 2025 at 02:16 PM ET
VickFlick_Skip
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11/12/25 02:16 PM ET
Love the discussion and agree completely **
-- GCHokie34
Nov 12, 2025 at 02:26 PM ET
GCHokie34
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11/12/25 02:26 PM ET
Understood. I know it is just a holding pattern.**
-- VT ChemE 1986
Nov 11, 2025 at 03:12 PM ET
VT ChemE 1986
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11/11/25 03:12 PM ET