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Oh I agree with you, I don't like it especially since its a big narrative

shifter throughout the season. Now more than ever with the roster overhaul across the board, i think preseason expectations/data should be minimal if not removed even for "Power Ratings" that account for a teams talent/player rating. Because everyone is playing in a different lineup, scheme, surrounding players etc. season by season. The carry-over is almost non-existent. I think CBB as a whole has gotten a little too infatuated with the metrics as it pertains to evaluating teams or conferences. It's imperative to a degree, & sure it was groundbreaking 10-15 yrs ago & much better than just using RPI, but now the metrics are almost treated like the bible. Regarding KenPom, by late Feb or March his ratings are usually pretty spot on, but I'm with you I dont think he makes any effort to make adjustments or corrections throughout the season like Barttorvik or EvanMiya attempt to do. Which is odd because KenPom is actually metric on the NCAA Tourny Team Sheet, I even think a low-major conference used his rankings to determine their conf tourny seeding a few years back. I get he was the pioneer of all this, but sometimes I get the sense he feels no need to adapt or evolve his rankings & truly believes there's nothing wrong with his formula what so ever. Sorry that was a bit of a rant but I follow the metrics sites daily & can see the flaws you're alluding to.
Posted: 11/12/2025 at 02:16 PM ET
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I made a serious tactical error this morning and looked at Lunardi's
CobbCountyHokie 11/11/25 11:39 AM ET
Your first mistake ......
2hhoop3 11/11/25 03:31 PM ET
The only time I pay any attention to Lunardi is never. **
RJHokie 11/11/25 03:39 PM ET
Same**
tylerhokie 11/11/25 04:03 PM ET
We never start any higher than Lunardi’s bubble if we
NC Hoke 11/11/25 03:17 PM ET
You have to consider this Providence team ....
hokietony 11/11/25 12:02 PM ET
you also have to consider that joe lunardis predictions are garbage until
Hokiehotdog 11/11/25 01:22 PM ET
And after that almost anybody could predict as well as him.**
marcbvtgm 11/11/25 02:32 PM ET
I'm pretty sure they upgraded their roster through the portal.**
EDGEMAN 11/11/25 12:31 PM ET
Are there many teams that didn't?**
hokiehill1117 11/11/25 12:52 PM ET
Well, it is a zero sum game, so some rosters will have to be worse
marcbvtgm 11/11/25 02:33 PM ET
We are only #67 on Kenpom, so his current bracketology is correct
VT ChemE 1986 11/11/25 11:57 AM ET
Any computer rankings before the first 10 games of the season are useless
GCHokie34 11/11/25 02:56 PM ET
KenPom has said he factors in preseason data for the ranking until late Jan
VickFlick_Skip 11/12/25 01:18 PM ET
Just curious - what preseason data does he use? Where would it come from?**
vtbball80 11/12/25 06:54 PM ET
I mean...I get that...
GCHokie34 11/12/25 01:46 PM ET
Oh I agree with you, I don't like it especially since its a big narrative
VickFlick_Skip 11/12/25 02:16 PM ET
Love the discussion and agree completely **
GCHokie34 11/12/25 02:26 PM ET
Understood. I know it is just a holding pattern.**
VT ChemE 1986 11/11/25 03:12 PM ET